Handgun Hunting Support

[Bishopus]

This is the losers way. I'm not caling you a loser

OK, then I will. Everyone who's squeamish about 'the wrong sorts' of Canadians owning guns better figure out which side of this debate you're on.

In the states gun owners stuck together, we didn't wince like little girls at kids who were excited about handling shotguns at a show. We believed in gun ownership as a universal right, and now we have something called 'CCW' in the overwhelming majority of states.

You guys have been typically Canadian--you're polite, and considerate, even a bit British about it. And look where it's gotten you. You used to have rights. You don't anymore.

The way to get rights is to demand them, and keep insisting on them at the level of rights, not to sit around making yourself as quiet and palatable for the antis as possible. You're just making their job easier.

 

[Bishopus]

The point is- How much more does a guy have to prove that he is competent enough not to act dangerously in the field?

Thanks Gatehouse, that's exactly my point. I have jumped through INCREDIBLE amounts of bull**** to 'prove' that I'm 'safe'. Haven't I done that? Then what was all that paperwork for?

It's just more evidence that no safeguards are enough for the anti-gun bigots. No amount of reassurance and concession will satisfy them that I should be allowed to 'pack' a revolver in the field, and the sad thing is they don't even have to make the point themselves--the apologists here on this board, among the community of shooters in Canada, will do it for them.

 

[gitrdun]

Gatehouse: No amount of testing can ever prove that an individual isn't going to do something accidentally or irrationally. That is human nature. Drunk drivers kill innocent people by accident all while possessing a driver's license. Besides, I don't want to fuel the fire of disarmement for Christ's sake, you're getting the wrong impression. Look back a few posts and you'll see that my concern is not with the likes of yourself or other fine people on this forum.

Look, I'm just not sold on the idea right now, OK. Let's just leave it a that for now....besides this has turned into a turdy turdy thread.

 

[Gatehouse]

Teapot, I think you are refering to someone else's post who used the term "packing". I think that I made my point clearly before. But briefly, I can do it again for argument's sake.

You r rgument appears ot be that you are scared of someone you don't know, possesing/hunitng wiht a handgun.

You don't seem to be afraid of the other hunters that you don't know that posess high powered rifles? Even though they have a far more powerful weapn, and coudl hit you at far greater ranges than a handgun...Strange.

It is not the current handgun owners who have gone through the hoops and legalities and what not's to prove to our government that they are not insane or whatever and that they should be allowed to hunt with a handgun. It is the future implications on many levels that I'm concerned about

You keep talking about "implications" but you never offer any supporitng evidence.

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It's not the you or guys like Salty or Foxer or Joe-NWT or Gatehouse that worry m

Well, that is great, but for all you know we are all unsafe gun handlers, and spray and pray when we see movement in the bush wiht our high powered rifles...

It's the unknowns, the guys I see at gun shows handling a folding stock shotgun asking buddy how many bullets this thing will hold

Plently of peopel own folding stock shotguns and rifles, and asking how many rounds a fireamr will hold is a pretty legitimate quesiton. In fact, magazine capacity is always listed in manufacturers catalogues, so maybe it's not just the peopel you fear that are interested in knowing mag cap, but everyone else, too..

You do understand that every one you run into in the bush wiht a shotgun or rifle is an "unknown" right?
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I'm just not comfortable with it.

And this is what it comes down to...

You are not comfortable with it, despite there being any evidence that may suggest that handgun hunting is somehow more dangerous than other forms of hunting.

You fear others that may have a handgun wiht them in the bush, yet woudl not fear this same person if they had a shotgun or rifle. You fear them simply becasue of the weapon they may choose- despite the rifle being a far more deadly weapon. Odd...

I know I probably pissed off a lot of good folks, sorry didn't mean too, but I stand my ground until proven otherwise.

Stand your ground if you want, but there is nothign more to prove.You fear a person simply because of what weapon they have, and that pretty much sums it up...

 

[gitrdun]

You guys have been typically Canadian--you're polite, and considerate, even a bit British about it. And look where it's gotten you. You used to have rights. You don't anymore.

There's a plane headed south in the mornin' if you don't like it. I'll send some poutine if that makes you happy.

 

[catnthehatt]

Yup, and the bow hunters are very aggressively asking for more. They don't feel like sharing the woods with youth rifle hunters for example. They have said they want the entire province shut down to rifle hunting in it's entirety so they can bow hunt for specific seasons.

And in the states, this is a real problem. 2 weeks for rifle, 2 weeks for bow, 2 weeks for black powder, 2 weeks for handgun, and maybe a week of 'anything goes. So - unless you're willing to become proficient and own dozens of different tools, your hunting is seriously limited time wise.

Frankly i'm dead set against special seasons for ANYONE, with the exception of new hunters and youth for obvious reasons. In this province, there's always somewhere to go where there's not another person around.

But for some reason every group that hunts with a different tool wants their own season. So hunters are a little leery of that, in bc anyway. At the first mention of it - support for handguns would nosedive.

I also am opposed to special seasons. I have hunted for years in the open rifle season with bows and muzzle loaders with no worries about wanting a special season.
The only caveat to this would be in town limits where a bow could be used.
in '92 we were in town limits at canmore, legally hunting with bows.
No problems from the loocals, either.

I like the "Alaska " style.
hunt with what you want, with no special season.
I have no problems with handgun hunting , as long as it is legal.
Cat

 

[gitrdun]

Ok, I'm done with this. Better things to do. Have a good one boyz & girlz.

 

[Gatehouse]

Gatehouse: No amount of testing can ever prove that an individual isn't going to do something accidentally or irrationally.

You are 100% correct. Please turn in your rifles and shotguns, since there is no amount of testing to prove that gitrdun is safe.

Please turn in your hunting license too. We can't be sure that you arent going to do something irrational or accidental.

Better safe than sorry...

That is human nature. Drunk drivers kill innocent people by accident all while possessing a driver's license.

I know, and it's tragic. We wil be requiring Mr Girdun to surrender his DL, since there are no guarrantes that he may not have a beer and drive.

Get the point?

Besides, I don't want to fuel the fire of disarmement for Christ's sake, you're getting the wrong impression. Look back a few posts and you'll see that my concern is not with the likes of yourself or other fine people on this forum

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Thsi is the exact same argument the antis use, you are just being blind to it.

"We arent afraid of the hunters or trap shooters, but for the good of all, we will require you to register your guns...it's because of the "unknowns""

 

[joe-nwt]

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It's not the you or guys like Salty or Foxer or Joe-NWT or Gatehouse that worry m

Well, that is great, but for all you know we are all unsafe gun handlers, and spray and pray when we see movement in the bush wiht our high powered rifles...

Further, not only would you not recognize us, but how would you know we ain't "packin"?

 

[gunz4grlz]

If someone was the type to conceal a handgun for malicious purposes, you have no idea if they are doing so rigth now.

And if someone was the type to use a rifle for a malicious purposes, well let's just say it would be interesting to watch him try to get it untangled from the long black trench coat he'd likely wear (in August), shoulder it and take aim. I'll bet a handgun could be produced in a fraction of the time. Sorry Gatehouse, I still vote NO. By the way....pink is'nt your colour.

 

[joe-nwt]

And if someone was the type to use a rifle for a malicious purposes, well let's just say it would be interesting to watch him try to get it untangled from the long black trench coat he'd likely wear (in August), shoulder it and take aim. I'll bet a handgun could be produced in a fraction of the time. Sorry Gatehouse, I still vote NO. By the way....pink is'nt your colour.

Thrench coat?!?

We're talking hunting here. You must be one of those TV watchers salty refered to.....

 

[Teapot]

I bet a girl with a concealed handgun could produce it in a fraction of a second if accosted by a rapist.

 

[Gatehouse]

And if someone was the type to use a rifle for a malicious purposes, well let's just say it would be interesting to watch him try to get it untangled from the long black trench coat he'd likely wear (in August), shoulder it and take aim. I'll bet a handgun could be produced in a fraction of the time. Sorry Gatehouse, I still vote NO. By the way....pink is'nt your colour.

He woudln't need the trench coat, since he'd pick you off at 200 yards, before you even saw him.

Yup, too much TV!

 

[Foxer]

And if someone was the type to use a rifle for a malicious purposes, well let's just say it would be interesting to watch him try to get it untangled from the long black trench coat he'd likely wear (in August), shoulder it and take aim.

Did you find the dawson school attack interesting? he used a rifle.

For that matter - so did roszko. Killed four cops. Very interesting indeed.

The bulk of the rifle didn't seem to slow 'em down much.

 

[Bishopus]

I'll bet a handgun could be produced in a fraction of the time.

I've been glassed several times by guys with long guns. I've even had guys shooting at an animal in my vicinity, when they couldn't see that I was there--all with high power centerfire rifles. Are you telling me that I was safer in those situations, than I would be in the woods with a guy 'packin' a .44 revolver?

 

[Grizz Axxemann]

I'd be more than happy to harvest a whitetail, mulie or even a black bear with a 10mm... get up close, personal, and make a clean kill.

And handgun huntng would open up to varminting... I'd rather use a pistol to make a gopher that's 10 yards away go kablooie than having to waste valuable centerfire rifle ammo, or lose a good shot because I had to grab my rimfire off the bumper.

 

[kimzter]

It doesn't make any sense for a gunowner/user to be against handgun hunting.
The old saying if we don't hang together we'll all hang seperately comes to mind. I only read a few pages of this thread but there is absolutely NO argument against handgun hunting that can not be used against rifle hunting. If you think handguns shouldn't be used for hunting you are basically saying that no guns should be used for hunting. kinda like saying all guns are bad
Kimzter

 

[joe-nwt]

And handgun huntng would open up to varminting... I'd rather use a pistol to make a gopher that's 10 yards away go kablooie than having to waste valuable centerfire rifle ammo, or lose a good shot because I had to grab my rimfire off the bumper.

Say! Handgun preditor/varmint hunting would be much safer for populated locations too!

 

[gunz4grlz]

Did you find the dawson school attack interesting? he used a rifle.

For that matter - so did roszko. Killed four cops. Very interesting indeed.

The bulk of the rifle didn't seem to slow 'em down much.

Does anyone know how many people have been killed with hand guns versus rifles??

I'll bet that stat. would be interesting.

Thrench coat?!?

Read it again. My spelling is fine. TV watcher?? I filled my freezer this year.

 

[joe-nwt]

OK so I made a typo. Now tell us where these "trench coat hunters" frequent......