Handgun Hunting Support

[gunz4grlz]

I personally have yet to see "the elusive trench coat hunter". I hear they appear in schools and malls every so often.

 

[Bishopus]

Does anyone know how many people have been killed with hand guns versus rifles??

I'll bet that stat. would be interesting.

You and Wendy would get along famously.

 

[Foxer]

Does anyone know how many people have been killed with hand guns versus rifles??

Depends. Do you want to include suicides? Do you want to include legal firearms only, or include crime? You can pretty much make the stat's sing and dance.

If we're talking about police getting gunned down, it's rifles hands down.

And if we're talking mass shootings, definately rifles. Rozko, Curtis Dagenais, Gill, and of course our all time favorite nutbar, Marc Lepine. All rifle fans.

More guns used in crime are pistols - of course, often they aren't fired and don't kill anyone so that's a different stat. But i believe in the last few years 2/3'rds or 3/4's or more of homocides involving guns involved pistols. (i'd have to double check, but it's about that). Now - that's homicides, not just people killed.

One thing you notice pretty quick - as a rule, if you're shot with a rifle you die. If you're shot with a pistol, you MIGHT die, but you have a good chance you'll live.

I'm not sure what you're looking for that would be 'interesting'. You're talking about a whole slew of variable situations and factors. It's kind of like saying 'i wonder if people are run over more by trucks or cars". What would the answer tell you?

 

[Foxer]

I also am opposed to special seasons. I have hunted for years in the open rifle season with bows and muzzle loaders with no worries about wanting a special season.
The only caveat to this would be in town limits where a bow could be used.

I'm all over having 'bow only' areas that make sense. Near and around towns, where keeping the noise down is a good thing makes perfect sense to me. Areas where bullet travel is a factor is another example. Maybe even a few select 'good' areas here and there outside those zones that favour bowhunting.

Of course, for the most part this exists already in most areas, and there are some special areas like texada and a few others, along with the odd special season that really isn't appropriate to rifle hunters (some january seasons and some early seasons for example.)

I got no problem being 'accomodating' - but i'd be pretty damn pissed off to lose seasons entirely just because someone wants to do it 'different'.

 

[tootall]

27 pages and counting.
GT, any chance of a dedicated HG hunting forum?

 

[black sunshine]

i voted yes but i would rather just have the option to carry a hand gun in the woods wile hunting .
but were i live, the bush can get pretty thick and there alot of shots that are taken at very close range ,very effective handgun range
but id still just rather have a hand gun in the bush when hunting or camping kinda like a seat belt (you dont were your seat belt cause you think you'll be in a accedent ) you wear it because #### happens .
same in the bush you dont carry a gun arround in the bush because you're paranoid of some nasty animal mauling you to death (you carry it ,like a seatbelt )because #### does happen .

 

[cdngunner]

It would also be nice to be able to go hunting with the "EVIL BLACK AND GREEN GUNS".

I guess you ney sayers felt more comfortable in the bush when they moved "military semis" to the restricted class

Hmm first handguns, them "assult rifles", hmmm wonder what they will restrict next SEMIS

Not only should we strive to keep what we have but we should be struggling to claw back everything the goverment took away, FOR NO GOOD REASON

 

[gitrdun]

You and Wendy would get along famously.

I'll say this in closing my participation in this thread. Personally, I feel as though I could continue this debate with certain individuals who may have a chance to sway my opinion towards handgun hunting. And I want to clarify that my "nay" vote does NOT reflect my attitude towards handguns at all. However, statements like the one quoted above certainly will not go a long ways to that end.

Besides having better things to do than going around and around in circle over this thing, I feel that this thread should die as it is a public display of our disagreements. Although I voted that I don't support it, it doesn't mean that I never would (the poll didn't give us the option of saying we don't now but could if shown that we should), I do not want to provide the real antis with the ammunition that they need to fight you's on this. On the other hand, I'm not ready to hand over my support just because you simply want to play with your toys in the woods.

Anyways, it's been a slice. I'm really out of this thread now....no really.

 

[joe-nwt]

I feel that this thread should die as it is a public display of our disagreements. Although I voted that I don't support it, it doesn't mean that I never would (the poll didn't give us the option of saying we don't now but could if shown that we should), I do not want to provide the real antis with the ammunition that they need to fight you's on this.
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The facts are that as of this writing, only 8.33% of those polled do not support handgun hunting although they can give no valid reason why.

^^^^^^^^^FOR THE ANTI"S... ^^^^^^^^^

I'm really out of this thread now....no really.

Aw come on, stay and play awhile.........

 

[Teapot]

All firearms are "toys in the woods". Such a small difference in reality but apparently too great an emotional leap for some to make.

TV and the Red Liberals have really done a number on us. Some here have a knee-jerk reaction when the word "handgun" is uttered. This is exactly what the anti-gun lobby has wanted all along. Whether you know it or not you have become conditioned like Pavlov's dog, Zolotisty. The word "handgun" made you think of crime, shooting sprees, mayhem, murder, and people who are unstable and wielding a handgun.

Well done antis and Red Libs!

Spoken by Red Lib/Anti Group Leader
" Comrades, The firearms owners are split on the use of handguns and therefore the posession of the same. You may now pass on to the next stage which is rifles. Show the damage on a real body and get some shots of weeping parents or husbands or wives and of course children. Now anyone who still insists on using firearms will be looked down on as calous and hard hearted and perhaps they will be ostracised.

'We need not do anything as their families' will do the work for us. These remaining gun users will be pressurised by their loved one's who will say things like 'if you love me you will get rid of those killing tools. I am frighteded of them and accidents can happen.' Thus begins the beginning of the end of firearm ownership.

"We have the gun owners splitting hairs and bickering among themselves. the ones who wish to limit the use of handguns to target shooting are our allies because they are more easily affected by our propaganda. They wish to be seen in the community as responsible and upstanding. They wish to be understood by their friends and family and the public at large. They want to be seen as compramising and accommodating. This species of gun owner is a weakling who has no true conviction. It will give and give until it has nothing more to give. Then we will have won. Yes, this species of gun owner is spineless and needs strokes from all and sundry to feel good about itself. This is the chink in the firearm community's armour. For these spineless gun-owners will try to please the non gun owning public because they need the strokes from them but will battle their own kind tooth and nail because there are no strokes to be garnered from them. Imagine craving the esteem of others so much that you would turn on your own kind! What miserable creatures these people are. They are of no use to their own firearm community and certainly of no use to the Red Libs after they help us because they are turncoats and traitors."

This is how the anti's and Red Libs must see those who oppose certain forms of gun use like handgun hunting and CCW.

 

[Salty]

Some here have a knee-jerk reaction when the word "handgun" is uttered. This is exactly what the anti-gun lobby has wanted all along. Whether you know it or not you have become conditioned like Pavlov's dog, Zolotisty. The word "handgun" made you think of crime, shooting sprees, mayhem, murder, and people who are unstable and wielding a handgun.

Yup. The act of shooting a side arm has been grosely distorted by the tv and movie screens even long before John Wayne emptyed his Colt at a building full of bad guys on his horse at a full gallop. People have been conditioned that one must empty the thing as fast as you can cause that's what they are designed for.

Ignorance breads fear.

Information is power.

I sure would like it if some of folks that don't have any real experience with handguns other than what's been read or watched in the media to go to a range or club and try shooting some hand guns. You will likely find that if you ask around, probably start with the range officer, this can be arranged as all firearms enthusiast seem to like to share and help new folks out!

At any rate I would hazard a guess that your impression of what shooting a handgun is all about and what they can accomplish as a tool will change. Big time.

 

[TPK]

Let me reiterate ... from page 16 of this thread ..

1) Hand guns have the power and accuracy to be used for hunting.
2) Hand guns are no more dangerous than rifles, shot guns, or bows when handled properly.
3) Peoples ethics and attitudes don't change depending on the firearm they are holding.

So .. again .. what are the arguments against? Fear is the biggest argument that I see on this thread and it's absolute bull ####. Why do your fears not include rifles, shot guns and bows? You come across someone walking in the bush with a rifle or shot gun and you smile and say hi, that same person with a holstered hand gun suddenly makes you wet your pants?

Criminals don't obey the law, that's what makes them criminals. If someone wants to "pack" a hand gun, right now, today, as we speak, in the bush, on the street where ever, what is stopping them? The law, and that's it. So the law abiding gun owner doesn't do it .... but criminals do and they will continue to do so regardless of whether or not we ever get hand gun hunting REINSTATED (yes we had it before). So all the BS about the "surge" in the numbers of people packing is just crap. People that follow the laws today will do so tomorrow. How is legalizing hand gun hunting going to suddenly turn law abiding gun owners into mindless "packing" criminals? If you trust someone to transport and hunt with a rifle, shot gun, or bow, what does a hand gun bring to the table of LEGITIMATE problems and concerns? No one has yet come up with one becuase there simply ISN'T ONE !! If you think you have one, substitute the word "hand gun" with rifle, shot gun, or bow, and see if it really is a new issue or concern. Chances are that "concern" is valid with other firearms, not just hand guns and so it isn't new .. is it.

 

[cdngunner]

Well here you go, strait from my magazine I just got.

LIBERAL POLICY TARGETS SEMI AUTOMATICS

Liberal Party Resolution #42

Whereas automatic and semiautomatic weapons are illeagal for hunting purposes; and
Wheras automatic and semi automatic weapons do not support the hunting culture found in all parts of Canada;
BE IT RESOLVED that the Liberal Party of Canada urges the Goverment of Canada to support legislation to eliminate the personal use of automatic and semiautomatic weapons

National Womens's Liberal Commission Liberal Party of Nova Scotia.

I guess there are some people afraid to go into the woods because there are some nutjobs out there with semis'

Thanks GITRDUN and people like you.

Thanks for nuthin!

Edited to add I did a quick search and found that this isn't exactly new news, but I just saw it for the first time 20 minutes ago.

 

[Gatehouse]

Good post TPK...

Summed it up nicely.

There is no real reason that handgun hunting shouldn't be allowed.

There is not one shred of real, hard evidence to support any of the concerns brought up on this thread by the nay sayers.

The only true reaosn they can give us is that it personally scares them.

 

[Johnn Peterson]

Let me reiterate ... from page 16 of this thread ..



So .. again .. what are the arguments against? Fear is the biggest argument that I see on this thread and it's absolute bull s**t. Why do your fears not include rifles, shot guns and bows? You come across someone walking in the bush with a rifle or shot gun and you smile and say hi, that same person with a holstered hand gun suddenly makes you wet your pants?

Criminals don't obey the law, that's what makes them criminals. If someone wants to "pack" a hand gun, right now, today, as we speak, in the bush, on the street where ever, what is stopping them? The law, and that's it. So the law abiding gun owner doesn't do it .... but criminals do and they will continue to do so regardless of whether or not we ever get hand gun hunting REINSTATED (yes we had it before). So all the BS about the "surge" in the numbers of people packing is just crap. People that follow the laws today will do so tomorrow. How is legalizing hand gun hunting going to suddenly turn law abiding gun owners into mindless "packing" criminals? If you trust someone to transport and hunt with a rifle, shot gun, or bow, what does a hand gun bring to the table of LEGITIMATE problems and concerns? No one has yet come up with one becuase there simply ISN'T ONE !! If you think you have one, substitute the word "hand gun" with rifle, shot gun, or bow, and see if it really is a new issue or concern. Chances are that "concern" is valid with other firearms, not just hand guns and so it isn't new .. is it.

Good post and well put.

 

[SIGP2101]

I really do not like simple fact that only ONE legitimate reason for handgun use practically exists today for civilian. I would rather have more than one, and than add another one in the future, than to stick with only one we have until we lose it.
I would rather see Gov. fighting our demands than see us fighting their demands. And we all know what kind of demands that may be.

Bottom line is this; if handgun hunting becomes one more valid reason for ATC/ATT I would strongly support it. If some of you really don’t see that as beneficial to all community than too bad for all of us. If some of you do not see that as a fight for preserve our riffles than too bad again. Idea is to be proactive not reactive.

It does not matter whether you would like to hunt with it or not, whether you disagree or not but what it matters is whether are we going to preserve our right or not, and have more options and freedom to choose from or not. All of you who dislike idea don’t have to pursue it at all, but rest of us would like to have that option under our belts. Even for you who may change your opinion some day.

Putting it simple, I see this as fight to prevent our rights from eroding even further.

 

[Mumptia]

How many WT bucks have I shot with a handgun chambered in .30.30 they are all 190+............. well, that is until the alarm goes off.

I'd love to go hunting with handguns.

 

[TPK]

Help make your dream a reality !! Write some letters.

 

[tootall]

So now that we OVERWHEMLINGLY want to see HG hunting in Canada, what are we going to do about it?
Lets use our numbers here to make changes occur.

--Contact your provincial wildlife branch, and TELL them that this is what you want.

-- Contact your provincial wildlife federation, with the same message. (naturally, this works best if you are actually a member of the Federation)

--start a letter writing campaign. Probably, we will need to hit both the feds and the provincial levels, as they will pass the buck back and forth.

Any other ideas, guys?

 

[joe-nwt]

So now that we OVERWHEMLINGLY want to see HG hunting in Canada, what are we going to do about it?
Lets use our numbers here to make changes occur.

--Contact your provincial wildlife branch, and TELL them that this is what you want.

-- Contact your provincial wildlife federation, with the same message. (naturally, this works best if you are actually a member of the Federation)

--start a letter writing campaign. Probably, we will need to hit both the feds and the provincial levels, as they will pass the buck back and forth.

Any other ideas, guys?

I have a question:

On a provincial level, isn't the quick response going to be "Federal regulation prohibits the use of handguns at anyplace other than an approved range. Go away."??