Handgun Hunting Support

How many of you would like to have it back?

  • YES, I strongly support it.

    Votes: 464 88.7%
  • I do not know what to think.

    Votes: 22 4.2%
  • NO, I would newer support it.

    Votes: 37 7.1%

  • Total voters
    523
Actually - i think the number one thing to do is speak with gary b and gary m - remember folks they are now part of the wilderness and outdoors council for the federal gov't.

If we begin to pressure them to put forward the case, there's a real possibility they can get a change in 'policy'. Remember, no law needs be changed, they only need to have the gov't instruct the cfo's that, where legal, att's are to be issued for hunting with handguns.

once that's done, it'll be comparatively easy to get the provinces on side with it in one form or another. It MAY be necessary in some areas to start with varmint and small game only, that will face the least resistance. But in any case, it clears the path.

The bcwf has already voted last year to support handgun hunting. Gary m is a member of the bcwf committee i believe. I'm told the hang up with the province is the fact the feds won't allow it.

So - those are the two we should pressure. an organized push opening a dialogue with those two will probably tell us how and where to go from there.
 
OK. So should we recap and create a template for such discussion?

Sometimes, for myself anyway, words don't come out as they should. Read my sigline.:redface:
 
joe-nwt said:
OK. So should we recap and create a template for such discussion?

Sometimes, for myself anyway, words don't come out as they should. Read my sigline.:redface:


I am with you on this one. My English is perfectly broken, and I would like help from experienced latter writers from this board too.
Lets make this action item and start organized campaign.
 
Well - traditionally the way it works best is if someone wants to 'spearhead' a grass roots inititive on this, they get in touch with both the gary's and see where we're at and what would have to change.

Once we have a clear picture of that, we can organize a writing campeign that'll do some good and go to people who can actually get something done.

So someone really has to step up to the plate and make it a personal project to get it off the ground. If possible, talk to both guys and get the straight goods from them, and then we organize support here.

Letters just generally fired around won't achieve much as a rule, unfortunately.
 
You and Wendy would get along famously.


GUNZ4GRLZ…I’ll translate: GUNS FOR GIRLS

I’m not an anti, hell I’m not even against hand guns; I just don’t think they have a place in the bush. And so far none of those who support it have made any valid arguments as to why things should change. If it’s to save yourself from packing a few extra pounds…use your money wisely and get a stair master. If 3 or 4 pounds is an issue, you need it. I’ve also heard many say it would be for protection. Protection?!? What the hell are you hunting with? Base ball bats? And lets not forget, those opposed do not have to provide reasons as to why, after all we are happy with the current situation. It is those of you who want change that have to convince everyone else.
 
If 3 or 4 pounds is an issue, you need it.

That's a questionable statement. I'm not sure where you are in the country, but for example here in bc the hike to get into goat country can be brutal with NO weight, even for a very healthy person. There's lots of places where every lb counts. Most guys try to deal with it now by using ultralight rifles, but they still weigh more than a pistol.
Protection?!? What the hell are you hunting with? Base ball bats?

Again - i have to really wonder if you live around a lot of bears.

Most hunters find that when they skin an animal, they're forced to put their rifle down. Usually several feet away. Unfortunately, while they're at their most vunerable like this, often thats when a bear shows up. It's called the 'dinner bell' effect - you shoot, and a bear knows somewhere there's a free meal and starts looking for you. numerous hunters have been in this situation unfortunately, and there have been deaths. You can't always make it to your rifle.

Further - i don't know what you hunt with but it's quite common to hunt out this way using a rifle scope. Now - that's fine at a stationary target 100 yards away, but it's difficult to use effectively on an animal charging you at 30 kmh from only 20 yards away. All you'll see is 'black' and then it's too late. A handgun with open sights would make a good compliment to that.

There are also other times hunters are vunerable. Running an animal up the meat pole - you're nicely covered in blood (or 'sauce' as the bears call it) and your hands are full. Or horseback hunting, where your gun is in your scabbard on your horse - bear or moose pops out, horse takes off, horse has your gun. You'd better hope your horse is a good shot because you're on your ass with no gun and a honked off bear or moose.

Then there is 'multi-class' hunting - if i'm out after a deer, and i see a grouse.. can you, as a successful hunter, understand why i might want a 22 along instead of taking my 30-06 to it? :D Having a handgun lets you foot-hunt for more than one class of animal - small and large game, duck and predator, whatever. It's hard to pack two rifles - but a rifle and a pistol isn't a big deal.

That right there is a good enough reason to want handguns by itself.
 
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Any firearm is legitimate. They can all be used for hunting. Why the dislike over a smaller firearm? Next it will be shape, then cartridge capacity and "look". By disagreeing on such emotional grounds, you just open the gates for other limitatations on our firearm freedoms.
Let each firearm owner decide for himself what he wants to carry in the bush for hunting. Committees are not needed to help him make his mind up.
 
ya Teapot I see your point. But I also think it is a good thing that nay sayers or those with trepidations including gunz4grlz that add to this thread with respect stay here.

Personally I am surprised a little about some of those that I would have considered hard core firearms enthusists amongst us that do have real concerns, maybe *fears*, or at least uneasyness about hand gun hunting. But to those that stay in this thread with respectfull disagreement and honest pondering of the situation I say CHeers!

And be carefull cause I'm gonna change your mind :D ;)
 
One arguement that is bound to come up, is wearing pistols in public places on the way to and from the hunt spot. For example, you stop at the store, or gas station.
This can be covered by regulation, and I'm sure all of us here would just use common sense.
As to my hunting, as I said earlier, some of the areas I hunt, are very rugged, hands and knees thick crap. A handgun would be a blessing.
 
Foxer: You make a good argument, but I must question what those in such situations do about it now? They don’t pull out a hand gun, so one must assume they are prepared before they “ring that dinner bell”, or at least they should be. If you hunt in bear country or cougar territory (that’ll be me), you’d be a fool to set your rifle down at anything further than arms length. And the multi-class hunting thing…I don’t like it and won’t hunt with anyone who does it. 2oz of meat or 200lbs….hmmm….Still not convinced.
 
John Y Cannuck said:
One arguement that is bound to come up, is wearing pistols in public places on the way to and from the hunt spot. For example, you stop at the store, or gas station.
This can be covered by regulation, and I'm sure all of us here would just use common sense.
As to my hunting, as I said earlier, some of the areas I hunt, are very rugged, hands and knees thick crap. A handgun would be a blessing.

I would think the same restrictions & regulations that exist for packing or conveying a long gun would apply to handguns as well.
 
Foxer: You make a good argument, but I must question what those in such situations do about it now? They don’t pull out a hand gun, so one must assume they are prepared before they “ring that dinner bell”, or at least they should be.

You try - we've taken to making a point of not gutting the animal till there's at least two people handy, one can keep an eye out and keep the gun close. But sometimes that can be a real challenge.

And still every year there are incidents. sure, there are ways to deal with it. But it's hard to argue having a gun strapped to you that you don't have to put down is probably one of the best last ditch deterrents going. Obviously you're still going to take the usual precautions, especially when approaching an animal that's down if you go away from it for a while.

you’d be a fool to set your rifle down at anything further than arms length.

C'mon - you MUST have had an animal run into a wet bog or area where setting your gun down beside you is tough without making a mess of it. Or on the side of a hill where you have to put it somewhere a little out of reach just to be sure it didn't fall down. And when you're working around an animal to get the guts out (especially a larger one) then as you're working you're going to be closer to or farther from your gun from time to time. It's just the way it goes.

But even if you are only a few feet away - if you see a bear, then you've got to dive for your gun, rack a round in, and hopefully find it in your scope before it's too late. Often the bear will have gotten to you long before then. At least if the bear hits you or grabs you if you've got a pistol you still have a gun with you.

And the multi-class hunting thing…I don’t like it and won’t hunt with anyone who does it.

whooo - ok, i'm going to assume you didn't MEAN to be as arrogant and insulting as you were. But you really need to think about what you just offered as a 'reason' handgun hunting shouldn't be allowed.

I know a couple of guys who don't believe women should hunt. They won't hunt with 'em either. They have all kinds of good reasons. Should we ban women from hunting, because of how THEY feel about it? Would you appreciate that?

Why on earth would you even bring your personal preferences up as a reason? It's in very poor taste to suggest that because you don't like something, it should be illegal for others.

I don't like baiting for bears. But i'd never suggest that people from ontario should be banned from doing it just because -I- disapprove.

As for your 'tastes' - every single hunter i know keeps a 22 rifle handy going into and out of the area to get a grouse if they happen to see one, along with their big game rifle just in case they see one. The only reason they don't keep one with them walking is because two guns is a pain. So - i guess you're not 'fit' to hunt with the vast majority of hunters in this province. What an insulting thing to say.

I have a difficult time responding to your amazing arrogance and disrespect of literally a century of hunting tradition in many parts of the country without being insulting. So i'll just say - your 'opinion' of how you prefer to hunt is a TERRIBLE reason to inflict that on others. There is only one question we ask as hunters - is it ethical. And there is certainly nothing unethical about shooting a grouse for supper while you're out after deer. Maybe you're one of those 'i don't hunt too far from my shower, comfy bed and nail polish' types - but some of us actually go out in the woods overnight for several days and it's nice to have a fresh grouse or the like at the end of the day if opportunity presents. Hell, i know one guy who keeps a small fishing rod with him for when there's not a lot of animal movement at the lake.

You seem not only to be slightly anti-gun, you seem to be anti-hunting too apperently.

Now - several VALID reasons have been offered for the use of handguns in the woods. (sorry - you 'not likeing it' simply doesn't make something invalid).

Those include:

- animal defense in hunting areas that have hostile animals like bears, especially if you're hunting single.
- back country and rough terrain hunting.
- multi-class hunting or hunting casually while doing something else (i'm fishing, but i might see a rabbit on the way back to camp.)


Those are all situations where a handgun is a BETTER choice

Aside from some nebulous concept that somehow handguns might inspire hunters to wear more trench coats I haven't heard a lot of good reasons from you as to why there should be a problem with it.

Are you afraid of what YOU might do if you had a handgun? Is there something you're not telling us? Do you feel if i gave you a handgun to hunt with, you'd suddenly become more reckless than you are with a rifle?

Paint me a picture here - today, handgun hunting becomes legal. What SPECIFICALLY do you see happening tomorrow that would be so horrible? Describe to me the scenario where suddenly something happens that wouldn't have happened if we'd never let handguns into the woods.
 
gunz4grlz said:
And the multi-class hunting thing…I don’t like it and won’t hunt with anyone who does it. 2oz of meat or 200lbs….hmmm….Still not convinced.

Fair enough. But what have you got against Foxer, who likes multi-class hunting? What have you got against anyone who is trying to harvest all the game he is licenced to?

What have you got against anyone who doesn't hunt exactly as you do?

Did someone mention the word "snob"............?
 
gunz4grlz said:
Foxer: They don’t pull out a hand gun, so one must assume they are prepared before they “ring that dinner bell”, or at least they should be.

Are you sure they don't?:D Maybe some are prepared. Maybe they gots a "trench coat" they can put on in a hurry.......:p
 
Bolstering an argument with proof or valid reasoning is sometimes wasted on those who will not see or hear. There are those who arrive at a decision from seemingly nowhere and cannot tell from where it came . They are later unable to change their decision no matter what logic is introduced to them. Such people are simply stubborn, unreasonable and may find it shameful to be proved wrong.
 
Why do I want ot hunt wiht handguns?

I want to carry a .22 to pop a grouse or 3 on the way back to camp.

I want to use a large caliber handgun to hunt fo rth added challenge and fun, and to give the animals a better chance.

I woudl like to carry handgun for targets of opportunity, when I am not hunting hard, but who knows what might turn up in a walk in the bush?

Carrying a handgun for self defense when you are not big game hunting is not a bad idea in many areas.

It's nice to have a handgun handy when on a horse.
 
Well, I have been reading this post from the start. I didnt read one argument against that would even come close to changing my vote. The opnions of the very few that were against, were just that, opinions. They had no real logic behind them and not one of those opinions could keep a fly off of a piece of poop.

If anyone could come up with a reason against handgun hunting that made realistic sense and had real proof to back it, I would take it into consideration. But I will put money on those folks against cant come up with solid evidence to support thier opinions.

I dont like certain types of hunting for my own reasons or ethics(my ethics are mine and not anyone elses). But if it ever did come to vote we need to support any and all types of hunting and firearms ownership, as long as it is done responsibly and within the law.(I know hand gun hunting is not allowed, but it could be if the right people were pushed).

These are my opinions and I will stick to them...... Carry on :D

"United We Stand, Divided We Fall" I never used to follow those rules, but I have seen in the last few years I was wrong and I am trying to fix the error of my ways...
 
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