Handgun Hunting Support
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Johnn Peterson
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From some of the comments and 'views' expressed, it appears our first hurdle in bringing this topic to a reality is to convince the skeptics and nay sayers in our midst. Until we can do that we're
! Then we can 'work' on correcting the misconceptions and changing the attitude of the non shooting public.
! Then we can 'work' on correcting the misconceptions and changing the attitude of the non shooting public.
absolutely true.
The nature of the fight is such that, with a little luck and work, the general public won't even find out about it on any meaningful scale until it's too late.
As long as it doesn't become a long draw out debate that reaches the public's ears, all we REALLY need is support from the hunting community. If there was strong support there, we could easily make do with simply ' a tie' in the public's mind - most people will think 'doesn't affect me' and forget about it.
The only serious job is to get hunters actively on board. With that, you could pressure the feds and the provinces. No laws actually have to be changed on the fed level - so it never gets debated in parliment. And provincially it would be a regulation change, so it stays out of the public eye there too.
It's really all about the hunters - unless it gets dragged into the public. That's why it's so important to show that enough hunters want it and that doing it represents political capital for the parties. They'll go ahead if it looks like hunters are behind it solidly.
Ok, I'll bite. How do we go about doing this? Lobbying most gun clubs and hunting org.s would be straight forward. There is ONE hunting group
that we would have a problem with as they march to the "old boys" drum. Yet they have alot of clout. How do we get them onside? Ideas?Well, i'm not sure what the best way would be.
I think that a) - you need to demonstrate that some of the key concerns are addressed by either regulation or practicality, and b) - i think you need to expose a lot more hunters to handguns. Take them out to shoot a 'hunting handgun' - nobody who's shooting a 44 mag is going to think of it as 'weak'. Demonstrate your accuracy. That kind of thing. Get talking over a coffee afterwards. Point out the truth about some of this stuff. Get them thinking.
That's worked with us fairly well for teaching average people about guns in general, it might work well here.
There is a 'cheat' of course - go for '22 for grouse and varmints' only. That would be far easier to win support for. Bring in 'big game' afterwards when you'd gotten people comfortable with it. Longer to get to the end goal, but faster to get partway there.
There must be other ways.
I think that a) - you need to demonstrate that some of the key concerns are addressed by either regulation or practicality, and b) - i think you need to expose a lot more hunters to handguns. Take them out to shoot a 'hunting handgun' - nobody who's shooting a 44 mag is going to think of it as 'weak'. Demonstrate your accuracy. That kind of thing. Get talking over a coffee afterwards. Point out the truth about some of this stuff. Get them thinking.
That's worked with us fairly well for teaching average people about guns in general, it might work well here.
There is a 'cheat' of course - go for '22 for grouse and varmints' only. That would be far easier to win support for. Bring in 'big game' afterwards when you'd gotten people comfortable with it. Longer to get to the end goal, but faster to get partway there.
There must be other ways.
As far as I am concerned if you own and shoot firearms you should stand up for all firearms owners not just your nitch little group.
Myself for an example have been in a constant fight with my MP this last year fighting against his wish to ban lead shot for shotguns in Canada.
I hardly ever shoot shotgun (like Tom Selleck said in Quigley Down Under... I didnt say I didn't know how to use it I said I don't have a need for it") but I am out there fighting to keep lead shot from being banned. Will banning lead shot effect my life? Not for a flipping second but I am fighting for firearms owners rights and expect others to do the same.
Am I wrong to state that I am totally disgusted with firearms owners that through their close minded uneducated fears are against HGH...
Absolutely not...
I am totally for allowing handgun hunting and would back a stringent training course/exam program that would allow qualified people to have the choice to use a handgun.
I also totally back that law abiding specially train Canadians should be allowed to CCW as well...
Also I said I can get 3" groups with my Ruger SRH 454 Casull using a 2X-6X scope not iron sights.
Myself for an example have been in a constant fight with my MP this last year fighting against his wish to ban lead shot for shotguns in Canada.
I hardly ever shoot shotgun (like Tom Selleck said in Quigley Down Under... I didnt say I didn't know how to use it I said I don't have a need for it") but I am out there fighting to keep lead shot from being banned. Will banning lead shot effect my life? Not for a flipping second but I am fighting for firearms owners rights and expect others to do the same.
Am I wrong to state that I am totally disgusted with firearms owners that through their close minded uneducated fears are against HGH...
Absolutely not...
I am totally for allowing handgun hunting and would back a stringent training course/exam program that would allow qualified people to have the choice to use a handgun.
I also totally back that law abiding specially train Canadians should be allowed to CCW as well...
Also I said I can get 3" groups with my Ruger SRH 454 Casull using a 2X-6X scope not iron sights.
Standing up for all owners is one thing - that does not mean that people will approve of all possible activities.
For example - we wouldn't support a call to allow 22 lr hunting for moose. That isn't "anti gun".
The issue isn't that people feel handguns are necessarily the problem - just some misinformation as to thier suitability to be used for hunting.
Johnn Peterson
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Chemainus B.C.
Wasn't trying to give you a bad time. Just trying to indicate my groups were with iron sights. Actually the only handgun I presently have a scope on is my Remington XP-100 in .221 Fireball. My particular preference for sights on a handgun is iron but if someone else prefers a scope, so be it.Camp Cook said:
I have a 'plan' in mind and I'll post it once I get it ironed out a bit.
I didn't think you where giving me a bad time...
I was thinking that you may have misread that I was using a scope in my example.
I also prefer iron sights on handguns and carry with the scope off. I bought scopes for my SRH's because they come with scope rings and due to the amount of reloading/load developement I do with these guns the scopes have helped me with the accuracy testing.
Looking forward to your plan...
I was thinking that you may have misread that I was using a scope in my example.
I also prefer iron sights on handguns and carry with the scope off. I bought scopes for my SRH's because they come with scope rings and due to the amount of reloading/load developement I do with these guns the scopes have helped me with the accuracy testing.
Looking forward to your plan...
NRA has 3 million members and are the most powerful lobby group in the US. We have more gun owners than people who vote in Federal elections. Why the hell won't they join pro-gun orgs. such as the NFA or CSSA? Are they so incredibly stupid/lazy/cheap? IF a million people were paid up members of either or both, the feds. would have to seek approval before introducing any law. I challenge all GUNNUTZ to join a pro-gun org. for 1 year and spread the word and magazines with friends and work-mates. We really can make a difference!
I think the fact that Ted Morton is Alberta's new minister of Sustainable Resource Development gives us a perfect opportunity to push the handgun hunting issue.
Ted is a hunter himself, and as an Alberta 'firewall' supporter he has no problems with thumbing his nose at the feds. This might be something he'd really get behind.
If we were successful in one province it makes it easier to change the rules everywhere else, and I think Alberta is our best bet.
Ted is a hunter himself, and as an Alberta 'firewall' supporter he has no problems with thumbing his nose at the feds. This might be something he'd really get behind.
If we were successful in one province it makes it easier to change the rules everywhere else, and I think Alberta is our best bet.
Well - the nra has been around and very active for over 100 years. The nfa here in canada has been around for something like 20, and was plauged during the first 10 by all kinds of growing pains, sloppy organization and lack of interest. The cssa has been around for even less than that.
It takes time, and effort. These things do not happen overnight. But i'm sure if you have some good ideas for a recruiting drive in your area both orgs would be happy to listen to you and would appreciate any help you can give. (and i do mean that sincerely).
