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That drives me nuts. Everyone who knows me runs for cover when a new guy shows up at the range and "wants to shoots some skeets".
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That drives me nuts. Everyone who knows me runs for cover when a new guy shows up at the range and "wants to shoots some skeets".
For years I have heard "I shoot skeet too". My usual reply is to question politely at which club they shoot as 99% of the time I don't recognize them from any clubs I shoot at. The reply is always the same "oh I don't shoot at a club we just shoot at my property". A few more polite inquiries usually ascertains what I know is coming. Hand thrown or manually operated thrower doing some informal clays shooting. I used to explain that the targets are not called skeets but that skeet is an actual game or discipline. Now I just nod and say "oh, cool" or "very nice" and continue with my day. I can no longer be bothered wasting my time trying to explain it. Now I just explain to those who are genuinely interested in knowing and ask the difference between trap, skeet and sporting clays.
It doesn't work like that: dad used to shoot with the pros out of the Olympic Range in Edmonton before it was removed (as a hobby because he knew someone). If you start breaking full 25s regularly they make the machine randomly change speeds or make the clays go faster. You don't shoot 25s very often. The best of the best professionals only make an average of 24 (rounded).
It is both of these specifically. If you look at the requirements of the RCMP and/or CFO on the creation of a range you will notice the regulations specifically that you cannot discharge a handgun (regardless if it discharges a shotgun round) where the barrel is higher than parallel with the ground and you must have a backstop that is specifically a (crazy) percentage of the distance you want to shoot.
An example, maybe?
If you research Sherwood Park Fish and Game's 50 meter range that is certified for handguns you will find that the regulations and the CFO have demanded a crazy high back berm.
EDITED: ***The following is conjecture and hearsay: you have been warned*** I believe the ratio is 4 to 1 on the handgun berm or something crazy. Sherwood Park's 50 meter range that is certified by the CFO for handguns has something like a 7 meter (yes, 22 foot) high back berm.
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You can go for 50/50, and then 100/100, they make 25/25 seem easy. Then you can shoot smaller gauges, and then go to doubles with smaller gauges. I don't know anyone that finds doubles with a 410 easy, and I am very happy when I manage a clean round of doubles with a 28 gauge.
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A big +1 to this....I often put up a 25 at both skeet and trap, however I would not characterize my ability anywhere near that of an elite skeet or trap shooter. This is because it is a VERY SPECIAL event when I go two rounds clean at 50/50 and I have never yet gone 100 straight (100/100....four clean rounds in a row). I currently lack the focus and mental discipline required for this and am finding it difficult to develop.
I can see the attractiveness to "handgun skeet" and agree it would be cool, but now hooked on sporting clays (I went 99/100 once....but my average is currently only 80%) I suspect the novelty would wear off quickly. Agree with other poster's advise to give the currently established clay sports (trap, skeet, and sporting clays) a fair shot.
Cheers, and hope you find what you are looking for!
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Clearly he has not as in his post on your 410 thread he said he knew nothing about skeet shooting or any rules etc.. If you recall after his questions were answered by a few he took offense to them and had a hissy fit (guess his skin isn't as thick as he says) and said he had never been on a skeet or trap range and based on peoples replies he had no interest in associating with trap & skeet shotgun shooting types.
If what is contemplated is simply shooting at flying clay targets with a handgun as opposed to the defined game of skeet there are three options:
1) Find an established clay target club with a range approval for restricted firearms. I'm not aware of one that exists and just because a shooting club has a restricted range does not mean all of the individual ranges are approved for restricted use.
2) Find an established handgun gun with a range template that would permit the installation and use of a clay target thrower. I suspect that would be hard to find and might require an additional approval from the CFO depending on the range layout.
3) Acquire sufficient land and equipment to set up your own private range. As restricted firearms are contemplated this would require CFO approval and perhaps municipal government approval. FWIW, I know of two people who have private restricted ranges. The applicants undergo scrutiny far more rigourous than an RPAL. If an applicant has led anything less than the life of a model citizen or has the slightest hint of a previous criminal history the chances of approval are less than zero.
1) Find an established clay target club with a range approval for restricted firearms. I'm not aware of one that exists and just because a shooting club has a restricted range does not mean all of the individual ranges are approved for restricted use.
2) Find an established handgun gun with a range template that would permit the installation and use of a clay target thrower. I suspect that would be hard to find and might require an additional approval from the CFO depending on the range layout.
3) Acquire sufficient land and equipment to set up your own private range. As restricted firearms are contemplated this would require CFO approval and perhaps municipal government approval. FWIW, I know of two people who have private restricted ranges. The applicants undergo scrutiny far more rigourous than an RPAL. If an applicant has led anything less than the life of a model citizen or has the slightest hint of a previous criminal history the chances of approval are less than zero.
That was my point, he obviously has no idea as to how easy or difficult it is to master the game of skeet, so the excuse that he is looking for more challenge really has no merit.
Evidently he has a .410 revolver which doesn't have much practical application in Canada. Stumbles across a thread about using the .410 for skeet, a light goes on because he has a .410 revolver and he starts to consider whether it can be pressed into service shooting skeet without having the faintest clue what he is talking about.
It's about as silly as a skeet shooter who has .38SPL inserts for his o/u thinking it would be an awesome choice to shoot IDPA.
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Evidently he has a .410 revolver which doesn't have much practical application in Canada. Stumbles across a thread about using the .410 for skeet, a light goes on because he has a .410 revolver and he starts to consider whether it can be pressed into service shooting skeet without having the faintest clue what he is talking about.
It's about as silly as a skeet shooter who has .38SPL inserts for his o/u thinking it would be an awesome choice to shoot IDPA.
Now that is funny right there!! I just got a mental picture of a shooter using a 32" barrelled K-80 Super Scroll or Bavaria Grade shooting at a handgun range with inserts. Thanks for the chuckle!! I needed that this morning.
While it wouldnt actually be skeet, you can probably find a place to set up a manual thrower and try to bust clays with your .410.
I think PCDHFC has the facilities you are looking for (as far as a trap field w/ restricted authorisation, where you could set up your own thrower) but to access them you'd need to shoot on the rifle range 5 times then take a Range User Certified course.
I think PCDHFC has the facilities you are looking for (as far as a trap field w/ restricted authorisation, where you could set up your own thrower) but to access them you'd need to shoot on the rifle range 5 times then take a Range User Certified course.
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Funny place this CGN.
I realized I overstepped and hijacked a thread, and politely backed out because of my faux pas. Even went as far as to start my own thread, as was suggested there, to not clutter the OPs thread with my thoughts.
Some awesome tips, advice, brainstorming in this thread from productive people with positive input to helping me find what the final form of this idea might become. And thanks, also, for the PMs suggesting places and contacts I should check out that may possibly be suitable for this idea. Definitely going to follow up on those, since as an added bonus, good excuse for a road trip on the bike, to go to these places. I'm also pretty sure, since a handgun would fit in the saddlebags, it might be a little more discreet than running down the highway with a Savage 110 strapped across the handlebars, LOL! Sure get some odd glances, doing that!
If we were all the same, life would be boring. I don't mind hovering around the edges. The last thing I want to be is "like everyone else".
So for as what has been presented so far, a big thank you for your PMs and ideas here. Definitely going to go further on this, and try contacting some suggested locations to see their take on this. They can't say no if I don't ask. If I get a yes, then road trip it is!
And for the others. The unproductive contributors, who felt the need to jump over from the thread that I politely decided to heed advice, and start my own - thanks for your input, baiting, trolling. We can reminisce about when you were declined for your NASA applications, due to your extreme level of overachievement in all things personality and intelligence related, on another (new) thread or PMs, should you care to do so. Otherwise, kindly feel free to read the first post, and provide the info requested. If you think I'm going down that road with you (as or family phrase goes) FYYFF. Yes, our entire family has that phrase tattooed somewhere on our bodies. Use your imagination, here. If I spelled it out, it may be infraction worthy. That is all I have to say on that subject.
I realized I overstepped and hijacked a thread, and politely backed out because of my faux pas. Even went as far as to start my own thread, as was suggested there, to not clutter the OPs thread with my thoughts.
Some awesome tips, advice, brainstorming in this thread from productive people with positive input to helping me find what the final form of this idea might become. And thanks, also, for the PMs suggesting places and contacts I should check out that may possibly be suitable for this idea. Definitely going to follow up on those, since as an added bonus, good excuse for a road trip on the bike, to go to these places. I'm also pretty sure, since a handgun would fit in the saddlebags, it might be a little more discreet than running down the highway with a Savage 110 strapped across the handlebars, LOL! Sure get some odd glances, doing that!
If we were all the same, life would be boring. I don't mind hovering around the edges. The last thing I want to be is "like everyone else".
So for as what has been presented so far, a big thank you for your PMs and ideas here. Definitely going to go further on this, and try contacting some suggested locations to see their take on this. They can't say no if I don't ask. If I get a yes, then road trip it is!
And for the others. The unproductive contributors, who felt the need to jump over from the thread that I politely decided to heed advice, and start my own - thanks for your input, baiting, trolling. We can reminisce about when you were declined for your NASA applications, due to your extreme level of overachievement in all things personality and intelligence related, on another (new) thread or PMs, should you care to do so. Otherwise, kindly feel free to read the first post, and provide the info requested. If you think I'm going down that road with you (as or family phrase goes) FYYFF. Yes, our entire family has that phrase tattooed somewhere on our bodies. Use your imagination, here. If I spelled it out, it may be infraction worthy. That is all I have to say on that subject.
I see from your location that the nearest skeet field to you( and the only skeet field in the area) is my home field, so I will save you some time by letting you know now, that our sleet field is not approved for restricted firearms, and we will not be attempting to have it certified for restricted firearms.
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Sunchild2071
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Appreciate the tip, and clarification. I saw your location, also. On my list of no go places, already. Thanks.
One potential issue would be that almost every trap/skeet range has a rule that you can only load one round at a time or two if shooting doubles.
Wouldn't stop you from using a judge but might make it less fun for you?
Also, there are rules about when you can chamber a round, when you can put a round into the gun etc which also might make it cumbersome.
But I would suggest trying skeet with a .410 coach gun for a while and then, when you can actually hit 25/25, think about something like a judge. 25/25 with a 12 gauge is VERY different from 25/25 with a .410
Wouldn't stop you from using a judge but might make it less fun for you?
Also, there are rules about when you can chamber a round, when you can put a round into the gun etc which also might make it cumbersome.
But I would suggest trying skeet with a .410 coach gun for a while and then, when you can actually hit 25/25, think about something like a judge. 25/25 with a 12 gauge is VERY different from 25/25 with a .410
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I think some logical first steps are such as like suggested above, and the other similar suggestions.
Also, looking at range rules for a place like Valleyview, to see if I could put up clays on the range on the short range side, to get a feel for effective distance vs. load. Also for types of target and projectile on that particular range. Basically, dry running to figure out the nuances and possibilities first, then keep expanding to the final outcome.
Also, looking at range rules for a place like Valleyview, to see if I could put up clays on the range on the short range side, to get a feel for effective distance vs. load. Also for types of target and projectile on that particular range. Basically, dry running to figure out the nuances and possibilities first, then keep expanding to the final outcome.
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I realize I'm embarking into a zone which may not yet have rules. Example - the range might be good for restricted, but shotguns not allowed. But I'm not shooting a shotgun, just shotgun shells, kinda issues.
I may have missed it - do you have a .410 handgun at present? If so, you could certainly see how well it will break clays on an approved three gun/action shotgun range. Clays are stationary on stands. Give you an idea about effectiveness. Shoot them edge on.
Launched into the air? Closest you are going to get is with a Backpacker shotgun fired one handed.
Years ago, I recall reading of guys in the US shooting aerial targets with .45 revolvers converted to smoothbore. Even had internal chokes fitted. Then ATF decided that these were sawed-off shotguns, and that was the end of the fun. No more shot pistols. Shotshells were long available in .44-40, etc.
Launched into the air? Closest you are going to get is with a Backpacker shotgun fired one handed.
Years ago, I recall reading of guys in the US shooting aerial targets with .45 revolvers converted to smoothbore. Even had internal chokes fitted. Then ATF decided that these were sawed-off shotguns, and that was the end of the fun. No more shot pistols. Shotshells were long available in .44-40, etc.
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