Has anybody tried out their flash bang yet?

Bad Lieutenant said:
sigh...

Again... I got that. Please read my post. I'm well aware of why these would have short fuses for dynamic entries, as well as the need for surprise (I have been to plenty of such entries).

Again, the guys on here that are getting these aren't buying them for the local police service's tac team. They aren't using them for high-risk entries on suspect's houses. They're using these things as civilians, and whether they're using them as a bear deterrent or just tossing them in some gravel pit for fun, a longer fuse time would be more beneficial.

So, again, I'm wondering if Lockhart could let us know if that is possible or not.
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Or maybe some credible training would solve the fuse problem? Liability wise.
 
Dukester said:
It wasn't this flashbang I'll wager, and I wouldn't give ten bucks for one of these. In the interest of science though maybe you could post a video of you greasing one of these bad boys up and shoving it into your experimental canal? Remember 1.5 seconds there Ace !
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Ugh. When some creepy guy on the internet starts fantasizing about greasing up foreign objects and inserting them into other men's body cavities... it's time to put them on ignore.

Bye.
 
Cdnhunter117 said:
But he wanted you to do it?��
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Pfft! Who's knows what he wants...? When things take such a disturbing turn, it's time to click the anti-troll button. Now hopefully the thread can get back on track.

Speaking of which, would still like to hear from Lockhart about these fuses...
 
What a tragedy. Regards and best wishes to the unfortunate officer.

I was reluctant to say more about these devices for various reasons but in the spirit of safety....If our Teams fail to deploy a banger after request for a flashbang is declared there is a process initiated usually involving wrapping the device in tape, including having it leave the area for safe detonation elsewhere. We never leave a live undetonated NFDD even if it means that that team member has to leave the stack.

Always always always detonate. I have seen baby safety pins installed, don't do that, detonate it ALWAYS.

Throw/toss is under your slung longarm and never backhand throw it. If you ATC, holster and secure handgun and then deal with NFDD, then immediately re acquire handgun.

Simply use common sense and all will be fine. It "ain't" rocket science however there are some reasonable things to consider just like responsible carrying firearms.
 
Maybe a softer, kinder , gentler fuzzy fuse for the folks that really don't need all that high speed low drag stuff??
Do they come in pink?
 
Bad Lieutenant said:
sigh...

Again... I got that. Please read my post. I'm well aware of why these would have short fuses for dynamic entries, as well as the need for surprise (I have been to plenty of such entries).

Again, the guys on here that are getting these aren't buying them for the local police service's tac team. They aren't using them for high-risk entries on suspect's houses. They're using these things as civilians, and whether they're using them as a bear deterrent or just tossing them in some gravel pit for fun, a longer fuse time would be more beneficial.

So, again, I'm wondering if Lockhart could let us know if that is possible or not.
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Meant nothing out of line, simply sharing experience for the safety and enjoyment of those that purchased and may have no or little experience.

I should know better.

I think they will be a bunch of fun and even be useful for bear defense.

Best wishes with your purchase.
 
thanks for the advice guys...sounds like you speak from experience :)

I don't really have a problem with the fuse length, I made sure I read up and watched as many vids as I could find ...and with a good dose of fear and respect I carefully planned my first throw. after that I tossed a few more.....

My opinion is that they are probably a bit less power than other NFDD's, but are pretty awesome anyways....
I just wanted to drive the point to anybody out there that purchases these that they need to understand about the quick fuse..it is quick...I hate to see anybody get hurt

I only posted these in the hopes that those out there who have "real" experience with these devices would chime in and offer up some good advice....and for that I thank you guys :)

cheers
 
Bad Lieutenant said:
sigh...

Again... I got that. Please read my post. I'm well aware of why these would have short fuses for dynamic entries, as well as the need for surprise (I have been to plenty of such entries).

Again, the guys on here that are getting these aren't buying them for the local police service's tac team. They aren't using them for high-risk entries on suspect's houses. They're using these things as civilians, and whether they're using them as a bear deterrent or just tossing them in some gravel pit for fun, a longer fuse time would be more beneficial.

So, again, I'm wondering if Lockhart could let us know if that is possible or not.
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I think everyone understands your point. I agree for civilian use, a longer fuse would be nice.
 
skypilot said:
Meant nothing out of line, simply sharing experience for the safety and enjoyment of those that purchased and may have no or little experience.

I should know better.

I think they will be a bunch of fun and even be useful for bear defense.

Best wishes with your purchase.
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Hey, it's all good. Appreciate the info. Seems that some guys here are looking at these from a LE/Mil point of view, but not everyone here is LE/Mil. And, a simple fact is the civilians buying these things have zero training or experience with them, so the more info geared toward safety, the better. Hopefully no one has any mishaps leading to injuries (or worse) or that bring any unfavourable attention toward our community.

Cheers
BLt
 
"Hopefully" isn't a word that mixes well with explosives.
However "predictably there were accidents" might lend itself more to what is happening here.
 
Thanks for the info slim, I think these should ship with a warning about the fuse time. I could see one of these going off in someone's hand
 
Dukester said:
Time to run away?
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For civilian use, a little bit more fuse time, 2.5 seconds or something, would be a little better. That way there is a little more margin of error for the user when tossing it. The longer fuse wouldn't be an issue if using the device for bears or for fun.

Obviously for le or mil use, the short fuse is necessary for the proper use of the device.
 
slim123 said:
sounds like a good idea, ill see if the pouch will allow for some kind of plastic case to fit that will still allow enough room for the device, the pouch has a locking top somewhat like a mag pouch....these are also available from lockhart designed for the devices.

for now I will just use a few tight wraps of electrical tape with the end folded onto itself to allow a fast grab and unwrap.......if I don't have 5-10 seconds or so of time to allow a safe deployment of the device in a bear situation its probably too close to deploy anyway.
This device seems to me a perfect fit for that "30-20 yard danger zone" as a last chance to convince a "big hairy stinky alpha predator" to leave....before I am forced to deploy a firearm as my final deterrant
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With all due respect, if bear is charging, and you deploy flash bang 20-30 yards away from you, with no success... it is game over!

Fact: Bears can run more than 60 kilometers an hour, and they can do it up hills, down hills or along a slope. To put that in perspective, that's 15 m/sec or 50 ft/sec, more than twice as fast as we can run. In fact, a bear can outrun a racehorse over short distances but has little endurance.

That would mean that you will throw flash bang, observe it fail to affect bear's full speed ahead charge, and will have less than a second to pick up firearm (load it or take off safety), aim it and acquire target, and of course shoot accurately at the fast moving bear.

On the other hand flash bang might work on a bear that is fairly passive and approaching slowly.

Cheers,
Dan
 
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