Has the AR market in Canada totally collapsed or what?

I don't think I'd buy a used AR, that's just me though. I prefer everything brand new in box. I was always taught growing up buying used you're probably buying someone else's problem.
 
Personally, I would love to do an AR build. I like to tinker a tweak and all that stuff that comes with a build, but I really can't fathom or afford a range only toy. If I am going to spend my hard earned money, I want to be able to go bag a coyote or plink in the bush.

Many avid shooters do not go to ranges at all and there for prefer an ACR, FS2000, PS90, Tavor, T97NSR or something like a swiss or kriss in non-restricted layout. Personally I would avoid black guns completely if there were none that achieved a non-restricted status.

I am sure this is what mike meant. He only ever went to a legit range for his restricteds. The rest he plays with out in the bush where they belong.

metcalfe said:
You crazy? I love shooting my AR, and I enjoyed building it so much that I'm constantly browsing parts dreaming up my next builds!




This is very true.



Why don't you bring your handgun to the range?
That is the only place we can shoot them, so what exactly have the politicians done to make you leave something you own and can legally use, at home?
Giving them what they want is good reason for you to "harden the !@#$ up"...
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Think about how many options there were for AR's a few years ago, then try and name off all of the companies offering them now. Seems like every few weeks a dealer is announcing that they're bringing in AR's from a new manufacturer.
 
Honestly, most of my shooting is on a range, so the restricted / non-restricted debate doesn't mean much to me. I think the EE is flooded more because of the options and good prices the current new gun market has.

When a quality hard to find AR is posted, it doesn't last long.
 
You know what I find really interesting about AR's on the Equipment Exchange? Is that people would sell their used AR's in really well maintained condition and not only are they being sold at a lower price but the round count even if it is 1-3 thousand rounds through it still doesn't scratch the barrel life of the AR. Most of the time I see a couple hundred rounds. Of course in non-automatic fire hence the reason for such long barrel life.
 
Dr.Lector said:
NEA didn't torpedo nothing.
Norinco did, almost 7 years ago.
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+1. The newer CQ-A's are the best value going in an AR.


fenceline said:
Honestly, most of my shooting is on a range, so the restricted / non-restricted debate doesn't mean much to me.
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I resisted buying restricted rifles until it became clear to me that at least 98% of the rounds I shoot are at the range. After that, it was all downhill...;)


Mark
 
So here are some facts as I see them,
1) I want to buy an AR but refuse to pay $200 less than new for a rifle that someone else has tweaked to his tastes...
2) Who knows if you have burned 200 or 20000 rounds through it? Not willing to pay near new prices for a used item...whether you paid $3k for it and parts or not.
3) If I do choose to buy a used item, I damn well am not paying 7/8 of new price for a used item just because of the original owners sentimental twaddle about their "baby" or accesories included.

So in summary (from someone who IS looking to buy an AR), price it as used and it will sell....just like a car. You shot it it is now worth 30% less than new. The more you shoot it, the less its worth. Just how I see it mind you.... you wanna sell it? Price it to sell and take your sentiment and investment out of the equation and it will sell.
 
I've noticed stuff like PWS at Questar sits unbought, compared to a couple of years ago. With all the reclassification fears, I suspect people don't want to spend too much on restricteds.
 
It's an odd market - some stuff flies, some stuff doesn't - I've had a new (unfired) HK45 on consignment locally for over a month, no bites, even with the sellers fee it's still not as expensive as some stores were charging 6 months ago and competitive with the pre-order price. I'm loosing a bit on it, but I'm not going to take a bath on it. I would say that there's not as much money in the medium/high end of the market right now as there was a year ago. Lost of SKS's selling, and boat loads of Nagants but AR sales aren't what they were, neither are handgun sales.
 
handguns and AR's use ammo that is too common in demand, and too sparse in quantity. People are holding off on .223 and 9mm/.45 purchases I think until a more steady supply of ammo becomes the norm. Too much uncertainty out there about guns, ammo,the economy and peoples disposable cash , and even re-classifications. I might be in the minority, but I am sticking with the tried and true Non-restricted more and more these days. (I still have handguns, but finding ammo and even reloading components are a chore sometimes)
 
You are priced "competitively" sounds like you are over the price of a new german pre order price. If that's the case obviously nobody is going to buy yours. The price has gone down so you will have to drop below that 20% to sell it. I think mainly the reason why is because everyone wants what they paid for their used items, and even if they haven't been used they still aren't worth new price to most Ppl just to save tax. The good deals sell, the ok deals sell but take longer, and the people asking for 90% of the money back usually doesn't sell unless it's not in Stock anymore.
 
mattf87 said:
you are priced "competitively" sounds like you are over the price of a new german pre order price. If that's the case obviously nobody is going to buy yours. The price has gone down so you will have to drop below that 20% to sell it. I think mainly the reason why is because everyone wants what they paid for their used items, and even if they haven't been used they still aren't worth new price to most ppl just to save tax. The good deals sell, the ok deals sell but take longer, and the people asking for 90% of the money back usually doesn't sell unless it's not in stock anymore.
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this ^^^
 
Had a look at your ad.
The rifle is a bitser, albeit assembled from brand name parts.
It has a very specialized configuration; a configuration that may be of interest to some, but not to many others.
Perhaps that is why no one has cried "I'll take it!"
 
The price is identical to the order price - except of course, that there are no taxes to pay, no shipping, and no wait until December, or January to receive it. There are also no new, unfired examples in stores anywhere in the country right now. If it doesn't sell, it doesn't sell, but I find it a little odd, given how many people signed up for the pre-order. Having been in the business, I also know that pre-order sales tend to evaporate, you might have 25 names on a list, but when the time comes to pay the piper, you may only move 15 units. I've noticed some dealers are also "in stock" on items for longer periods now, too. Let's face it though, it's easier to move $150 guns than $1000 guns, regardless of brand.
 
I'm more interested in ARs now that I have ever been...but I like to buy my stuff new and if I buy used it's carefully picked to ensure its like new

I think the mid range prices and quality of Daniel Defense rifles takes away the high price of custom built rifles, they are a solid platform to work around and can be purchased new for less than a lot of custom builds, add a few changes to consider it yours and make someone happy
 
I only shoot at the range these days so it's all I own now. A 10.5, a 14.5, a 20" and 2 Armalite AR10's. At the ranges most people shoot at, the Norinco's are more than accurate enough. Especially since most people are putting either a holo sight or some kind of red dot on them. It's also the cost of the stuff that people hang off them. You can easily spend more on the doo dads hanging off the gun than the cost of the gun itself. Customising is a lot of fun, and a hobby in itself, but your custom gun isn't my idea of a custom gun and can be a hard sell. The bare bones guns always seem to go quicker, provided the seller isn't asking for more than the cost of a new one
 
I bought my Tavor two years ago.

In the last 18 months Ive bought and sold 3 AR-15s.

I've still got the Tavor. (surprise)

I wanted a second .223 semi-auto that I could take out in the bush, so I spent $750 on a used Vz58 and couldn't be happier.
 
They're not selling because they're priced too high. It's simple Economics 101.

Some folks seem to think ARs don't depreciate, regardless of current market value, round count, or how many off-brand parts they're made out of. If you're not 25-30% lower priced than the current market value, I won't even finish reading the add.
 
sgt.rock said:
I guess my interests still are greatly biased towards items I can use beyond the range. I love being able to toss my .223 bolt gun in the truck along with a centerfire and shotgun to have fun with on the woods roads and clearings. Maybe the lack of ammunition at all times, and at a price that you can afford to feed the lead hoses such as an AR15. Its not much fun having to "budget" your ammo at the range to spread it out over a couple of hours. (even reloaders can't always guarantee having ammo on hand anymore, as supplies are still hit and miss. )
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Pretty much covers it for the majority of folks
 
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