Has the high cost of HMR made you change to a M2?

Has the cost of HMR made you switch to a .17M2 instead?

  • yes

    Votes: 10 9.9%

  • no

    Votes: 61 60.4%

  • maybe

    Votes: 6 5.9%

  • never

    Votes: 27 26.7%

  • considering it

    Votes: 3 3.0%
  • Total voters
    101
  • Poll closed .
First off let me say I agree completly with everything Stubble jumper has said so far.......

But......
I don't shoot my 17hmr much any more.

First reason, Most of the cattel guys around here are faily close to neibours and what not, so they appreciate the fact I shoot .22 instead.

Second reason, When I can shoot with HMR I find I am reaching for my .223 instead, I can reload premium quality ammo for about the same cost as 17HMR ammo. Any way you slice it when I can shoot further, with less drift, and really reach out to 300y..... the .223 wins hands down.

But that's just me, I never really saw the need for a 17HM2, and I'm starting to see the need for a HMR less and less.....

YMMV
Cheers!
 
First reason, Most of the cattel guys around here are faily close to neibours and what not, so they appreciate the fact I shoot .22 instead.
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So which do you feel presents the lesser chance of stray hits due to ricochets,the 22lr,or the 17Mach2?I personally would think that the smaller 17gr bullet would pretty much blow up and shed velocity much quicker after striking an object.
 
I'll stick with the orig. plan and it's a logical set of range increases .22, 17 HMR, .22 C.f., I don't see any place for the smaller .17 in my battery. I can reload my c.f. 22s for very little cost with around 10 grs of powder and a home made cast bullet, but it sure is handy to use the .17 HMR and .22 with those segmented HPs, and I'm not stuck in the bsmt. reloading for hours.
 
x2 :d lol.....
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Since you agree,how about telling us how long it would take to recover the price difference between a Ferrari and a Camaro by using regular gas instead of premium.Would it be quicker than the two years to pay for a Cooper by using 17Mach2 instead of 17HMR?

Oh yeah.....I predict the HM2 going the way of 25 and 32 RF....1.00 a round once they stop production
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I have 16,000 rounds of 17Mach2 on hand right now,which amounts to $2350 less cost than 16,000 rounds of 17HMR from the same supplier.If I don't buy another round,that totally pays for my Cooper and having it rebarreled to 22lr.
If I was using a Savage or Marlin,I would throw it away and have over $2000 left over,after subtracting the price of the gun.
 
stubblejumper said:
So which do you feel presents the lesser chance of stray hits due to ricochets,the 22lr,or the 17Mach2?I personally would think that the smaller 17gr bullet would pretty much blow up and shed velocity much quicker after striking an object.
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To be honest I'm not sure.... I don't own a 17HM2 so it's really not an issue in my case, but.....

Here's my $.02
I think that the 17HM2 would riccochet just a bit more than a .22LR.

My Reasoning behind this;
The speed at which the 17 is traveling is about 300 to 400 FPS faster than a .22lr (if memory serves) and IMHO riccochets are bigger/worse the faster a projectile is going.

Please edjumicate me if I am mistaken.....

Cheers!
 
Having experienced 400+gopher days at the farm-I have to say that on average the M2 made more sense for me then my HMR-on average most shots are max 125m which the M2 can do no problem-and well the HMR is a defini:Dte gopher stopper i find any that you hit with the M2 are done like dinner-with the .22 not so easy-
 
Here's my $.02
I think that the 17HM2 would riccochet just a bit more than a .22LR.

My Reasoning behind this;
The speed at which the 17 is traveling is about 300 to 400 FPS faster than a .22lr (if memory serves) and IMHO riccochets are bigger/worse the faster a projectile is going.
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My theory is that the very lightly constructed 17gr bullet at higher velocity will more easily deform and this will cause it to shed velocity much more rapidly.As well,only weighing half as much as a 22lr bullet,it will not maintain it's momentum nearly as well after being damaged.
 
stubblejumper said:
My theory is that the very lightly constructed 17gr bullet at higher velocity will more easily deform and this will cause it to shed velocity much more rapidly.As well,only weighing half as much as a 22lr bullet,it will not maintain it's momentum nearly as well after being damaged.
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That sounds logical.

I still can't see myself getting one...... Unless I win the Lotto! :D

Cheers!
 
GOD DAMMIT! They all serve an excellent purpose it all comes down to what your willing to pay for ammo. Come on guys HM2 vs HMR is getting to the point of not just beating a dead horse but having s*x with it after. Let it go! there both good rounds.
 
They all serve an excellent purpose it all comes down to what your willing to pay for ammo.
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For me it comes down to the best performance for what I am willing to pay for ammo.As it is,I can get much better performance by loading the 223 than with the 17HMR for the same price.For me it wasn't a matter of 17Mach2 vs17HMR ,but rather 223 vs 17HMR.
 
stubblejumper said:
Since you agree,how about telling us how long it would take to recover the price difference between a Ferrari and a Camaro by using regular gas instead of premium.Would it be quicker than the two years to pay for a Cooper by using 17Mach2 instead of 17HMR? .
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The point you are missing (or ignoring) is that if I can afford to spend $700,000.00 on a toy, I'm certainlly not going to give a #### about the price difference between regular and premium fuel.


I have 16,000 rounds of 17Mach2 on hand right now,which amounts to $2350 less cost than 16,000 rounds of 17HMR from the same supplier.If I don't buy another round,that totally pays for my Cooper and having it rebarreled to 22lr.
If I was using a Savage or Marlin,I would throw it away and have over $2000 left over,after subtracting the price of the gun

And I can buy 1/2 million pellets for my airfirce condor for that money....what's your point?

I mean, if we are justifying settling for a lower performance gun due to ammo savings, why not just go with an airgun?
 
And I can buy 1/2 million pellets for my airfirce condor for that money....what's your point?

I mean, if we are justifying settling for a lower performance gun due to ammo savings, why not just go with an airgun?
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Actually it is you who is missing the point.I use both the 17mach2,and the 223 for my varmint shooting.For shots out to 125 or 150 yards,the 17mach2 will do everything that the 17HMR will do on ground squirrels,crows and such.For longer shots,and shots on coyotes and foxes,which are by far the minority,I use the 223 which offers superior performance to the 17HMR.With the money that I save by using the 17mach2 on smaller game,and at closer ranges for a couple of years,I can pay for the 17mach2 rifle.After another couple of years,I have paid for the 17Mach2 rifle,and the 223 rifle.All the while,I am actually enjoying superior performance over the 17HMR for longer shots and shots on larger animals,and I am giving up nothing on closer shots and shots on smaller game.

Now if I chose to go with lower priced rifles,I could have both rifles paid for in two years from the money saved by using the 17Mach2 on the smaller animals and closer shots.

Either way,using the 17mach2 and the 223 is a win win situation compared to using the 17HMR.
 
Shoot what ya like!

I had an HMR but the cost of ammo was a big putoff. I sold all that and bought a quality .22LR and couldn't be happier.

I can pretty much pick the distance I want to shoot gophers at so the .22LR does very well. When I want to shoot fancy I break out the .204 Ruger and shoot to the horizon.
 
Andrewe said:
Shoot what ya like!

I had an HMR but the cost of ammo was a big putoff. I sold all that and bought a quality .22LR and couldn't be happier.
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Have to agree with that statement. I would have to say for most people, if the HMR is too expensive to shoot, the next logical step is not to the HM2, but back to the LR. I have an HMR, and would never dream of trading it in for the HM2, I agree ammo is expensive for the HMR, but at least I can actually find some in my city. If, and that's a big "if" HM2 ammo was actually available locally, at a reasonable price, then it would be an option I would consider. But unfortunately it is not available here anywhere, and I can't see that ever changing for the better given less and less support for the round by rifle manufacturers.
 
If, and that's a big "if" HM2 ammo was actually available locally, at a reasonable price, then it would be an option I would consider. But unfortunately it is not available here anywhere, and I can't see that ever changing for the better given less and less support for the round by rifle manufacturers.
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Actually,I don't buy any ammunition or loading components locally.I buy in volume,so shipping isn't an issue.No matter what the cartridge,I keep stocked up,in case we have shortages,like we currently do with primers.
 
Cost is not an issure for me. I don't see the HM2 dying completely however I see ammo cost going through the roof.

I see some companies have stopped chambering their rifles in HM2 but I haven't seen that about the .17 HMR. I think that in itself is a pretty strong message about the life of the HM2.
 
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