Having my 8.5 treaded for turkey choke... Pics added...

My friend is a co in Ont. There are both federal regs regarding firearms and provincial regs regarding hunting (3 rds in a shotgun for hunting in Ont for example). He says if the shotgun complies with the fed regs, its ok to hunt with provided the number of rounds is correct. The other thing is that the really short shotgun phenomenon is fairly new to the scene, and he had never seen one before, and he didn't know that my 12 1/2 was a non restricted firearm. I showed him my papers and he said it would be ok, but I would suggest you have your reg certificate with you because most CO's (and cops for that matter) have never seen a shotgun that short and they aren't likely to take your word for it.
 
Blegend said:
Check the regs on their definition of a handgun. It's basically how they word it, intended to be fired from one hand or less than the metric equivilent of 12inches
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Yup, you're correct, and here I thought BC was one of the more free provinces. Strangely enough most, if not all,short bbl shotgun barrels come from BC.

Handguns
It is illegal to hunt with a handgun in BC.
See page 3 for definition.


Handgun – is a firearm that is designed,
altered or intended to be aimed and fired by
the action of one hand or that has a barrel less
than 305 mm (12 in.) in length.

http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/wildlif...2/docs/Hunting-TrappingSynopsis_1012Part1.pdf
 
Yeah it's a pretty silly little rule. It's just that stupid Or. It's not like my 12 inch outlaw will be such a more efficient hunting tool than my 8.5 grizzly, or that it should be considered a handgun, but it's a stupid rule people should be aware of. Something like that can ruin a trip.
 
Shotgun is NOT a handgun, it CANT be fired with one hand, barrel length has nothing to do with this. Why are people posting handgun regs, wtf do they have to do with this 8.5 inch shotgun!!!
 
LuckyLuc82 said:
Shotgun is NOT a handgun, it CANT be fired with one hand, barrel length has nothing to do with this. Why are people posting handgun regs, wtf do they have to do with this 8.5 inch shotgun!!!
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Pretty sure barrel length has a big part to play. The barrel length causes the shotgun to be classified in the eyes of the hunting regs as a handgun. Regs say its a handgun. Course it's not a handgun, but it fits the description as defined by whoever makes the rules up in BC. Follow it or don't, I don't care.
 
LuckyLuc82 said:
WRONG overall length makes a shotgun restricted NOT barrel length!!! This 8.5 inch NON RESTRICTED shotgun has OAL of over 26 inches, hence handgun regs DON'T apply!
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We were discussing hunting regulations for British Columbia. It is classified as a handgun there, the BC regulations show this clearly.

Under Federal Firearms law, you're correct, it is a non-restricted shotgun so far. Keep in mind that the CFC/RCMP had some issues with certain guns being "easily fired one-handed", even if they were non-restricted at the moment. Also keep in mind that shortening a shotgun barrel to under 18" makes it a prohibited, even if OAL is over 26". Only manufactured barrels under 18" and an OAL of over 26" keep it a non-restricted,except semi-auto, anything under 18.5" is restricted if done at factory or prohibited if done at home.
 
Dude no one is talking about federal regulations. Restricted non restricted whatever, read the post that quoted the BC hunting regs. You can do whatever you want with a 8.5 grizzly, but just like how the provincial regs dictate the allowable mag capacity for birds and whatnot, they're are saying that in their rules it falls under handgun definitions. You think that's wrong take it up with the province
 
Even the definition you guys copied an pasted doesn't apply as this isn't a handgun nor can it be defined as one. We can argue all day long, but I very much doubt that any BC CO will have a problem with a short barrel shotgun for turkey hunting. That section of the hunting regs simply talks about handgun hunting. This is a 2+1 NON RESTRICTED SHOTGUN! I doubt it very very much that a factory barreled non restricted shotgun that just recently became available (2 years ago) was considered when they wrote the hunting regs upteen years ago. Unless of course the regs were written by savant psychic beurocrats.
 
LuckyLuc82 said:
Even the definition you guys copied an pasted doesn't apply as this isn't a handgun nor can it be defined as one. We can argue all day long, but I very much doubt that any BC CO will have a problem with a short barrel shotgun for turkey hunting. That section of the hunting regs simply talks about handgun hunting. This is a 2+1 NON RESTRICTED SHOTGUN! I doubt it very very much that a factory barreled non restricted shotgun that just recently became available (2 years ago) was considered when they wrote the hunting regs upteen years ago. Unless of course the regs were written by savant psychic beurocrats.
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You just won't give up. Read it again. Under BC Hunting Regulations it is classified as a handgun.
Don't you think it would have been easier for them to write "anything classified as a handgun under the Canadian Firearms Act" if their intent was to disallow only what we commonly refer to as handguns?

Anyhow, the OP is in Ontario and Quebec, so this is a moot point, as it's legal to use there AFAIK.
 
Bearkilr is right. Also while they might not change em much the regs are reproduced every 2 years, if they wanted to change em they could have. They defined what they count as handguns, and the grizzly falls into their definition. It sucks, but has anyone ever said firearms laws in Canada make alot of sense. Get a written document from the BC minister of environment explaining how they were wrong and theyre definition is much to vague and includes things that are not defined as handguns as such, I'll say your right. But you can't define the law as what it should say or what you want it to say.
 
Blegend said:
Bearkilr is right. Also while they might not change em much the regs are reproduced every 2 years, if they wanted to change em they could have. They defined what they count as handguns, and the grizzly falls into their definition. It sucks, but has anyone ever said firearms laws in Canada make alot of sense. Get a written document from the BC minister of environment explaining how they were wrong and theyre definition is much to vague and includes things that are not defined as handguns as such, I'll say your right. But you can't define the law as what it should say or what you want it to say.
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I would imagine it's still considered a non-restricted in BC though, correct? However, would it be prudent to use it outside a range? If a CO were to argue that a person was/or could be engaged in hunting of any sort, you'd be up sh*t creek.
 
I doubt it would be any different than shooting clays without a plug in the mag for bird hunting. But each CO can be different. Legally nothing would change, it's just if it's used in the context of hunting. I would bet the handgun rule is designed like that so no one puts a stock on a pistol and hunts it.
 
LuckyLuc82 said:
Even the definition you guys copied an pasted doesn't apply as this isn't a handgun nor can it be defined as one. We can argue all day long, but I very much doubt that any BC CO will have a problem with a short barrel shotgun for turkey hunting. That section of the hunting regs simply talks about handgun hunting. This is a 2+1 NON RESTRICTED SHOTGUN! I doubt it very very much that a factory barreled non restricted shotgun that just recently became available (2 years ago) was considered when they wrote the hunting regs upteen years ago. Unless of course the regs were written by savant psychic beurocrats.
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So I finally clicked on the BC hunting regulations link, I read them over and wow, you BC hunters are pretty much screwed when it comes to 8.5 inch barrels. With that said, I still think you would have a pretty good test case if one ever got busted hunting with one. That handgun definition is pure and utter bs. Thank God I live in Ontario :)
 
Her is my Grizz 8.5 and the choke i intend to have fitted to it, it is a .655 and is actualy use on my 11-87... JP.
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