Having seconds thoughts on buying an XCR...
- Thread starter Brappp306
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Well thanks for all the info guys! But as of tomorrow I think I will be picking up the tavor, I simply just don't trust the XCR. Decided I'd rather save up and later on buy a Savage 10BA 308. for hunting/target. That way I'll have the tavor for coyotes and slinging lead down range, then the 10BA for Big game.
the_klenzer
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I've never had a problem with either of the two xcr-ls I've owned.... I like ars & tavors better but xcrs've been good to me.
You won't be unhappy with the Tavor. Disappointing that you took a negative light on the XCR as there are MANY out there without any problems.
J
the_klenzer
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Vancouver, BC
Fwiw I shoot my tavor 10x more than my xcr now. You won't be disappointed.
You might be correct on the 'lucky' part, but the XCR-M I used did achieve 1 inch group with 3 shots, (2nd group wasn't as tight, but it was still within 1 1/2), it was bench position with front and rear resting on gun rests, I checked with my buddy on the ammo I used (the mag was already loaded for me), and it was federal power-shok 150gr (not AE fmj). Also wind condition, muzzle energy were all calculated/adjusted on the gun/gas setting/scope b4 I tried the xcr and it was slow shooting with controlled breathing/trigger finger. Again, the distance was 100 meters. As for my rfb, 2 inches groupings are very normal at 100 meters, however that is done with sandbags or bi-pod in the front (correct gas setting, cooling down the barrel between shots) I even had a triple tap once ( by luck of course, lol). I do agree with you that one just want to shoot for fun will not able to achieve sub 1 moa (with xcr) , but with the proper bench setup and lots of practice and time, it can be done (frequently with a bit of luck,
) All the above are based on my personal experience, shooting results will be different btw shooters due to gun setup, shooting style, range gears.
I had an -M.
I sold it.
3 shots and it would do an inch at 100yards. Reloads and Federal Gold Medal Match. 4-5 shot groups, and it went to 3".
Was it reliable? Yes. Not an issue. Even the factory magazine never gave me any problems. The kid I sold it to sat down be behind it and put his first 3 shots into an inch at 100, with two on steel at 200 yards, and bought the whole package off me.
That day was unequivocally the best day I'll ever experience selling a firearm, with 0 regrets, and getting most of my money back.
The XCR-M is heavy, not a precision rifle, and the real concern is will parts be available in 5-10 years. The fact that there isn't any real support from Robinson Armament when it comes to availability of spare parts and such is the main reason I got rid of it. It's a very expensive platform, with marginal performance, and little to no industry support. Is it fun? Only if you have gobs of .308 to shoot.
It did everything it claimed to out of the box, but, is it worth the cash? Absolutely not. Unless you want one just to have one. The problem is that they seem to depreciate significantly right after you drive them off the lot, so, by all means people should buy them, but, just keep in mind that they are an expensive gun to rent if you decide not to keep it.
I sold it.
3 shots and it would do an inch at 100yards. Reloads and Federal Gold Medal Match. 4-5 shot groups, and it went to 3".
Was it reliable? Yes. Not an issue. Even the factory magazine never gave me any problems. The kid I sold it to sat down be behind it and put his first 3 shots into an inch at 100, with two on steel at 200 yards, and bought the whole package off me.
That day was unequivocally the best day I'll ever experience selling a firearm, with 0 regrets, and getting most of my money back.
The XCR-M is heavy, not a precision rifle, and the real concern is will parts be available in 5-10 years. The fact that there isn't any real support from Robinson Armament when it comes to availability of spare parts and such is the main reason I got rid of it. It's a very expensive platform, with marginal performance, and little to no industry support. Is it fun? Only if you have gobs of .308 to shoot.
It did everything it claimed to out of the box, but, is it worth the cash? Absolutely not. Unless you want one just to have one. The problem is that they seem to depreciate significantly right after you drive them off the lot, so, by all means people should buy them, but, just keep in mind that they are an expensive gun to rent if you decide not to keep it.
I'm keeping mine. I like both my L and my M. I alos like my other rifles, pistols and shotguns, including a 6.5" so called useless Dlask, as well as my Speed feed birds head handled Winchester 1200. Again useless.
- Location
- Toronto / Yukon
Did these realizations occur after you purchased the rifle? It just seems like a confusing purchase given your extensive cost/benefit analysis.
I knew what I was getting into, however, when I bought mine back in January, there was still little to no results posted online regarding the accuracy, so, I decided to try for myself.
As I quickly discovered, there's a reason why no one is posting group sizes for the XCR-M. It's unreliable accuracy wise. 3 shot groups with Match ammo are about 1", but, pretty much without fail those group sizes expand to 3"-4" once you go for the 4th or 5th shot.
I was hoping that decent reloads would at least provide some consistency. They didn't. Ultimately I just couldn't stay comitted to a firearm with a barrel held in place by a set screw. I think that's what really tipped the scale. When I look at the XCR platform, everything from the breech back is rather impressive, and arguably worth the cash, (well, aside from the bolt hold open mechanism, that's absolute trash). The weakness with these rifles is definitely the barrel extension, and the fact that the barrel is literally held in place by a cheap set screw. I have no doubt that the poor accuracy is a function of this design.
I think the XCR could be 10X the rifle if the barrel was was held in place in a more secure manner. The fact that as of yet, no one has been able to post a decent 5 shot group pretty much confirms this.
They're a cool gun, and that was also part of the appeal, but, ultimately, I think the Canadian marketplace is being played for fools with this rifle, and we're paying a premium for that honor as well.
- Location
- Toronto / Yukon
I also purchased an XMR-M when you did. I have some misgivings on the barrel screw but my experience has been very positive for the purposes I purchased the rifle for. I am more concerned about having a properly functioning SA bush rifle that can dispatch dangerous wildlife in very cold (Yukon this year) type conditions, run cheap .308 and stand abuse from getting dragged from trucks/planes/cabins and is NR. Checks all those boxes.
In terms of sub-MOA engagements outside of 100m? There are other tools for that. Is it perfect, nope. Is it expensive, yup. Overpriced? Its all relative. Hasn't let me down yet, its like the Toyota Hilux of rifles; black and white, some cheap bits, not popular here, dead simple to use and takes a beating. If there are gunsmiths or an aftermarket solution to your concerns (my bolt HO works) then I will certainly look at them down the road, thanks for your excellent analysis!
Cheers
In terms of sub-MOA engagements outside of 100m? There are other tools for that. Is it perfect, nope. Is it expensive, yup. Overpriced? Its all relative. Hasn't let me down yet, its like the Toyota Hilux of rifles; black and white, some cheap bits, not popular here, dead simple to use and takes a beating. If there are gunsmiths or an aftermarket solution to your concerns (my bolt HO works) then I will certainly look at them down the road, thanks for your excellent analysis!
Cheers
As I said, they are reliable, and do exactly what the manufacturer claims. I just had to buy one for myself, and see it for myself, and then was lucky enough to recoup most of my money in the end.
There is a market for this rifle, and people will pay for it. I just look at it and see some really great things, but also a few things that really undermine it. My bolt hold open did work, however, everytime I looked at it I was just like "really????".
The kid I sold it to loves it though, and like many others, that's all that matters.
There is a market for this rifle, and people will pay for it. I just look at it and see some really great things, but also a few things that really undermine it. My bolt hold open did work, however, everytime I looked at it I was just like "really????".
The kid I sold it to loves it though, and like many others, that's all that matters.
- Location
- Toronto / Yukon
Mining. Went with white because everything else seems to be shades of grey these days.
OMG, everyone says they had problems and then don't tell you what the problems were. I have a XCR and have gone through easy 1000 rounds in like 4 months of owning it. I had one major problem, but I can't tell you. No seriously worst thing that happened. The screw which holds on the handle came a little loose. So I tried not to panic, and stay calm. I went into my garage and grabbed a alan key. Very carefully inserted it and turn slowly and steady like I was disarming a bomb. And after a few turns it was tight and the gun was perfectly fine.
Don't listen to these people. Its a awesome gun and you will love it. Yes few people may have got lemons, that happens with any product manufactured on planet earth. From $1 toy to a $100million aircraft.
Don't listen to these people. Its a awesome gun and you will love it. Yes few people may have got lemons, that happens with any product manufactured on planet earth. From $1 toy to a $100million aircraft.
Exactly, I love listening to the accuracy guys. Cause ya that's why I bought my Black rifle, because they are so accurate. Like seriously people who are you kidding, your Swiss or Tavor is hardly more accurate, and seriously who cares. If your goal is a super accurate rifle your in the wrong forum and looking at the wrong guns. I have a Sako Bavarian that shoots sub moa using factory ammo right out of the box. That's a gun for accuracy conversations. Black rifle discussion... does the XCR look awesome?? hell yes. Does it cycle awesome??? hell yes. Will you have fun shooting a line up of 10 cans really fast??? hell yes. Or if you want you can spend $4000 on a Swiss arms that will never be as accurate as a $700 Tikka T3.
The problem is the AR10. The XCR looks a lot like one. It's the same size, similar ergonomics and expensive. Plus it has a heavier barrel etc. An accurized AR10 can shoot .5 moa. This is where the XCR accuracy expectation comes in.
