Hawkin 50 cal
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Need more description , Italian plains style, Lyman Great Plains, brand?
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saskgunowner101
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Flintlock would probably fetch more as well, whatever it is.
Be sure to check out the bore before you make any consideration. People can sometimes shoot them and then leave it dirty for years or load it up and leave it loaded for year.
Put a patch on the ramrod and run it down the bore to the bottom and back. A little oil on the patch is good if it is handy but if not you can still get a pretty good idea even if it is dry. Lay the gun down and lay the RR on it to see how far it should go in an empty barrel. Hold it with your fingers on that spot and slide it to the bottom. If it seems short a couple inches, pass. If it feels rough going down the barrel, pass. If it seems smooth and then rough or feels smaller at the bottom, pass. No matter the price.
Put a patch on the ramrod and run it down the bore to the bottom and back. A little oil on the patch is good if it is handy but if not you can still get a pretty good idea even if it is dry. Lay the gun down and lay the RR on it to see how far it should go in an empty barrel. Hold it with your fingers on that spot and slide it to the bottom. If it seems short a couple inches, pass. If it feels rough going down the barrel, pass. If it seems smooth and then rough or feels smaller at the bottom, pass. No matter the price.
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I don't think Hawken rifles ever came with flint ignition? They were and are, cap locks.
$400
without more details, this is about right
Historically speaking, I don't believe that is correct.
The earlier Hawkin rifles were in fact made in Flintlock .
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There is a scope mount on it so I can't see the name and such. It is a double trigger setup so I'm guessing some kind of "target?" gun? I don't know a lot about those things, just my limited knowledge of owning my left handed flintlock.
two triggers denotes a set trigger system, quite a common feature.
28" barrel with a brass nose cap , possibly?
Does the brass trigger guard have a little " ring " at the butt stock end?
we need some more clues......
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OP's question as asked is about the equivalent of saying "I have a line on a used car; how much should it cost?"
A "Hawken"...not "Hawkin"...could be an original antique Hawken Brothers rifle, a good-quality TC recent-production rifle or a cheap POS Spanish junker.
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All things being "like new", a Thompson Center Hawken rifle is worth twice what a Traditions or most other Walmart off brand discount guns. They are ALL pretty darn reasonable now here in the states. With all the changes in deer hunting regulations they are not as popular as they once were.
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No. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawken_rifle
Or, perhaps we need to define what we mean by "Hawken Rifle"? The brothers were gunmakers. The first iteration of what we understand as a "Hawken" was made in 1823 even though they began making rifles in 1815. And so, they made all manner of rifles...all of them Hawken Bros, and yes flintlocks. However, the short, large caliber, handy rifle that we understand at the ubiquitous "Hawken" was a specialty. Hand made, one at a time and a completely different line from the rest of their production guns.
So, was a Hawken ever a flintlock? No. Did the Hawken brothers ever make a flintlock? Yes.
Cool beans eh?
Ah, edit: it seems "Old Bill" was in fact a flinter. Mea Culpa. Even still though, a "Hawken" is a cap lock.
Yes, if either black powder or a substitute was used and the bore not cleaned immediately after shooting you could be buying a drain pipe, they are all extremely corrosive. Never buy a muzzle loader or cartridge black powder firearm without physically inspecting the bore yourself, many people treat their guns like boat anchors.
Yes, there were - well documented, Wiki has it wrong. The cap lock was actually an upgrade for existing plains rifles.
Which ~ by the way ~ if it wasn't made by a Hawken brother, it isn't a Hawken.
"Hawken" is now a marketing term used to describe a plains rifle - more so nowadays a particular look to the architecture - usually a distinctive butt plate and trigger guard, which all modern "Hawkens" have gotten wrong.
"Hawken Style" is more correct.....
I have a couple of these rifles. Tomson Center, Hawken reproduction rifles. One is a 45 and the other a 50. With out measuring the bore you couldn't tell them apart. The 45 has my initials on the patch box, it was a first anniversary gift from my wife. These are pretty high quality, modern rifles intended to mimic the modern opinions of what a Hawken should be. Designed to shoot loose black powder ignited with a side lock and modern ignition cap. They are rifled to shoot TC maxi balls BEST. Some were rifled with a slower twist to shoot roundballs.
Even if you wind up with a gun the barrel is shot out, I think you can still get stainless steel replacement barrels from Green Mountain and they are black so you can't tell the difference just looking at it. I have one on my 45.
Even if you wind up with a gun the barrel is shot out, I think you can still get stainless steel replacement barrels from Green Mountain and they are black so you can't tell the difference just looking at it. I have one on my 45.
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