HD/SHTF Handgun

[gorky]

For my home defense handgun, I would use one of the following:

Glock G22, my IPSC gun, with M6X light laser except I would swap out my IPSC slide with Heinies and put on my other slide with Mepro night sights.

Beretta 96 Centurion, with Tick rail, M6X light laser, and Trijicon night sights

I like having the light on my gun, just because I want the ability to leave it on and still do something with my other hand. Also, my ammo of choice for the above is Speer Lawman, 180g with Gold Dot hollowpoints.

That all said, my first go-to gun is always the short barreled 12 guage. I keep different ammo in my side saddle, usually have some sort of QUAILTY optic mounted (aimpoint right now), and it will serve me well whether it is a 2 legged or 4 legged problem creature. If it is 3 in the morning and there is a bear or coyote causing enough damage that it necessitates my shooting the animal (standard very low for coyotes), I would like the ability to explain to the cops that, yes, I shot the animal with a non-restricted shotgun rather than a restricted pistol. This is also the reason I would not use an AR for home defense right now, even though my 11.5in setup would do fine for all situations up with the exception of big animals like bears.

 

[Nine]

I have always wanted a pair of night sights... My CZ came with a pair. I couldn't be happier with them... much more effective than I imagined. It likes 147gr FMJ Flat points... and so do I.

CanFire, 10 rounds of 22 LR would certainly give you something to think about. Make those 10 rounds Stingers, and they would definately be nothing to sneeze at.

 

[John Y.]

Are there any cases in Canada of a home owner defending his/her home with a legally owned firearm and not being charged/and or convicted?

 

[Clead]

No talk of frangible ammo? That's why I bought a package of Glaser safety slugs in 9mm several years ago. Tested 2 out of a package of 6 ( for feed and function, never did penetration tests), and the remaining 4 are the first 4 rds of my 9mm HD magazine, followed by alternating 124gr Ranger SXTs and 147gr Hydrashocks. I figure by the time that mag is empty, the situation will be over, VERY over.

 

[echo4lima]

No talk of frangible ammo? That's why I bought a package of Glaser safety slugs in 9mm several years ago. Tested 2 out of a package of 6 ( for feed and function, never did penetration tests), and the remaining 4 are the first 4 rds of my 9mm HD magazine, followed by alternating 124gr Ranger SXTs and 147gr Hydrashocks. I figure by the time that mag is empty, the situation will be over, VERY over.

I used to keep Glasers in my Springfield 1911 when I lived in Cali....great ammo...never did shoot anyone with it, but I did hunt a guy down once

 

[sixty9santa]

For home defence I'd be happy with my VZ58 if the mags could have a 30rds in them, cuz 5 might not be enough in a multiple perp home invasion scenario. My 1911A1-C is not a thing to be fcuked with but single shot stoping power it aint, more like 2. A 14" barreled shottie loaded with #7.5 is what I would see as ideal with the handgun on my waist. For some reason, judges universaly approve of shotguns and handguns for home defence and don't like "black" rifles too much as it shows intent. Shotguns being most accepted in the hands of men and handguns in the hands of women.

 

[peckerwood]

I would say that the shotgun was the first good choice...the scare factor of the slide being pumped goes a long way even from a distance inside the house to scaring the #### out of a burglar.

Failing that I would go with the 45 just for the lack of penetration it presents but for the damage it does as well. One can talk about being aware of backstops all you want but when the SHTF and the adrenaline is pumping from a possible firefight, and when the bullets actually do start flying, you dont want one going into a neighbours house.

Not everyone has pristine sound minds from military training and a serious lack of fear. The rest of us pee like little poodles.

 

[echo4lima]

...and a serious lack of fear. The rest of us pee like little poodles.

Lack of Fear is the frame of mind of a fool or insane one....Fear is healthy, ya just gotta keep it in check. Even the most battle hardened have come close to pissing their pants at least once durng a close one....

 

[richardoldfield]

I am a died in the wool 1911A1 fan when it comes to carry and shooting at the range. What do I use for house guns? I use a Glock 19 in the front of the house and a Glock 27 with a Glock 23 Magazine in the bedroom. Why do I not include a shotgun or rifle? They are too cumbersome in the house and I would not want to greet a police officer checking on my house with a visible firearm in my hands. Regards, Richard

 

[CanFire]

Think about it people.

I have thought about it. To be quite honest, the chances of a prowler breaking into my house are minimal. It's never happened to my parents and it hasn't happened to me in all of my 36 years on the planet. Couple that with the likelihood of me actually having enough time to unlock my firearm and load it before confronting a prowler... well now we are really getting into the realm of the unlikely. An armed prowler has the advantage of not worrying about hitting a loved one so he is likely going to be quicker on the draw than I would anyway. Bars on the windows and an alarm system make the most sense. Having a big assed dog helps too. Grabbing a gun is probably last on my list, but if I were to grab one it would probably be my .22LR.

For an End of the World type scenario, I would give the .22LR to my oldest son and grab an AR, shotgun, or a serious centerfire pistol.

 

[Ceska]

Lack of Fear is the frame of mind of a fool or insane one....Fear is healthy, ya just gotta keep it in check. Even the most battle hardened have come close to pissing their pants at least once durng a close one....

+1 This comment speaks of experience.

This may rub a lot of fur the wrong way here, however. I do not ever think about a firearm for home defense. Now, I can understand how a person can think this way, we're not all 6' 200+lbs martial art instructors in our 30's. My go too HD weapons are a nice pair of 1 1/8" iron wood escrima sticks. If you are not familar with iron wood the name sums it up, think feel of iron but made of wood.

That said, talk to me again about this in 40 years when my knees are fused.

 

[cpt. canuck]

My go too HD weapons are a nice pair of 1 1/8" iron wood escrima sticks.

Good luck with that when the bad guy has a piece. Your going to look like the sword wielding guy from Indiana Jones that takes a .38 to the head.

 

[mebiuspower]

Good luck with that when the bad guy has a piece. Your going to look like the sword wielding guy from Indiana Jones that takes a .38 to the head.

In Canadian law, you rather be shot & have your wife raped by an intruder than harming him with a gun.

 

[sixty9santa]

In Canadian law, you rather be shot & have your wife raped by an intruder than harming him with a gun.

Over my dead body.

 

[OZZ]

In Canadian law, you rather be shot & have your wife raped by an intruder than harming him with a gun.

I don`t think so, there has been a couple of real low lifes recently kicking down doors in the daytime and #### kicking old ladies/men and robbing them.

Not only would I have no problem shooting them in my house I would not think twice about helping my lil old lady neighbour either.

If a jury or a judge would find you guilty of murder defending your life or a fellow neighbors life against a criminal #### bag then Canada truly is joke.

ps: dont forget to stick a kitchen knife in the ####bags warm dead hand

oh I forgot the original question, P220/trij night sights and a M6 on the rail, not to mention the 2 friendly? German shepards

 

[cp220]

Sig 226 and M3 with 75gr frangible HP.
Surefire E2e or Streamlight TL2 as well for a handheld.

In regards to weapon mounted lights and needing to point your firearm at what you're looking at, well there's 2 things I think about that.

1) No you don't. If you're in a low light environment you can "bounce" the light off the floors, walls, roof, etc... You don't have to be pointing it exactly at what you're looking at.

2) There are 2 people in my home. Myself and my better half. If something happens in the middle of the night she will either be beside me, or still in the bedroom. Anyone else shouldn't be there, and I have no problem pointing firearms at people who are there to cause harm to myself or my loved ones, or in my home when they should not be.

I personally like mounted lights, however as above I always have a handheld as well.

 

[Ceska]

Good luck with that when the bad guy has a piece. Your going to look like the sword wielding guy from Indiana Jones that takes a .38 to the head.

Your point is well taken, it made me rethink things. No matter how slim the odds, it is possible for a home invader to have a gun. Like the old addage say's "Never brings a knife to a gun fight"

I liked the Indiana analogy, I recall hearing that the original script called for a drawn out melee combat fight but Ford thought pistol was the way to go.
Great scene.

 

[667]

I recall hearing that the original script called for a drawn out melee combat fight but Ford thought pistol was the way to go.
Great scene.

I read that Harrison Ford had the ####s that day and didn't want to waste time with the long drawn out fight scene....

 

[Tarn]

I always thought that in a situation of intruders...the best thing to do is sit and become the defender......you know your house better than the guys breaking in.If you go wandering around the house looking for these guys...you have lost the situation of defence.....and become offence.If there is more than one guy,you will be at a disadvantage.....not sure if this makes much sense.....lack of sleep

 

[alexlacelle]

I always thought that in a situation of intruders...the best thing to do is sit and become the defender......you know your house better than the guys breaking in.If you go wandering around the house looking for these guys...you have lost the situation of defence.....and become offence.If there is more than one guy,you will be at a disadvantage.....not sure if this makes much sense.....lack of sleep

You make a good point, however if I live in a house with my kids in different rooms than mine, and I hear someone prowling around, I'm gonna make damn sure I find him before he finds my kids.

In my case, I have a samurai sword and a pair of sais above my bed, with which I am trained with, and that's only to use until I get to my beretta and flashlight....

If I had a shotgun, I'd probably grab that, just for the "holy #### I crapped my pants" effect on the bad guy. The nice thing about a shotgun, if the bad guy brought a gun, it's defonately not gonna be bigger than my shottie.