Heckler and Koch P30L - Pics

rivetc78 said:
Seems like a few of these appear....the owner shoots a few boxes, then they end up on the EE. Doesn't look good.

Are they that bad?
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No...they are very nice pistols.
I think the trend...purchase...50rounds down the pipe...put up for sale on the EE, reflects that a lot of us are seeking the 'Holy Grail'..
You know...the 'perfect' pistol in terms of grip size/angle/controls...
I have a USP Expert in 40S&W that is a very good shooter, but the grip just doesn't feel right (YRMV) and the P30L, while very different from the USP, also doesn't seem to be quite 'right'.
I have enough 'plastic' 9MM pistols that I don't 'need' the P30L, and I also am considering putting mine up for sale/trade....
The quest continues......
 
rivetc78 said:
Seems like a few of these appear....the owner shoots a few boxes, then they end up on the EE. Doesn't look good.

Are they that bad?
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IF they are as reliable as the USP system,...and better grip,.than it will be a keeper for me. I used the USP in various forms for 3+ years in IPSC production division, and held my own. MY USP complaint,...is the grip and high bore axis. Forward cocking serrations, and better ergonomics of the P30-L are just icing on the cake. I can not see my self adding or removing sights,..or needing to do any detailing to make this pistol any more user friendly. It is what it is, a drop dead reliable pistol.
 
I'm having some difficulty shooting mine bulls'eye.

But last monday we put up a little IDPA stage and it went very very well.

I find It an outstanding shooter for double tap and more intuitive and fast shooting.

I'm still looking for a solution to shoot it right when it comes to classic bulls'eye shooting. I played with the backstrap/panels combination but have yet to find the perfect one.

I do have some problem getting a good, constant sights picture. I'm considering trying some Heinie's SlantPro Straight Eight...

Any suggestion?
 
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rivetc78 said:
Seems like a few of these appear....the owner shoots a few boxes, then they end up on the EE. Doesn't look good.

Are they that bad?
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It's a very nice pistol I don't think seeing them on the EE is an indicator that they are bad. I knew myself which was better for me immediately. I enjoy the grip and shooting my USP. I knew right away shooting the P30L that the USP was for me. There was no need to throw 500 rounds down the pipe to do this. Now the pistol is in still like new condition for someone who is looking for one.

You usually don't know unless you try.
 
foxbat said:
No...they are very nice pistols.
I think the trend...purchase...50rounds down the pipe...put up for sale on the EE, reflects that a lot of us are seeking the 'Holy Grail'..
You know...the 'perfect' pistol in terms of grip size/angle/controls...
I have a USP Expert in 40S&W that is a very good shooter, but the grip just doesn't feel right (YRMV) and the P30L, while very different from the USP, also doesn't seem to be quite 'right'.
I have enough 'plastic' 9MM pistols that I don't 'need' the P30L, and I also am considering putting mine up for sale/trade....
The quest continues......
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That's my situation exactly. I only want a perfect gun, or as near to that as possible.
 
foxbat said:
I think the trend...purchase...50 rounds down the pipe...put up for sale on the EE, reflects that a lot of us are seeking the 'Holy Grail'..

The quest continues......
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That is the best way to explain it.

Kinda trying to find a good looking woman who cooks and cleans, it might take a lifetime.:runaway:
 
Not sure the front or rear sight is what I would use for bullseye....this gun will really shine in IDPA/IPSC/CDP
 
cohda said:
I'm having some difficulty shooting mine bulls'eye.

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I do have some problem getting a good, constant sights picture. I'm considering trying some Heinie's SlantPro Straight Eight...

Any suggestion?
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Your comments here, and also earlier in the thread, and both your targets and Soli's, have given me pause on this gun. This sounds a heck of a lot like my experience with my USP... it just wasn't quite right for some reason. Even when you absolutely put your mind to it and use proper technique you just cannot group the shots together the way you want to and the way you can with other guns. Sometimes the gun seems stone cold accurate, and 2 rounds later it is like, "what's wrong? are my sights out of wack here, or what?"

I have found the P2000 to be more consistently accurate than I found my USP, but it still can't touch a SIG (any model, basically) for consistent accuracy out of a duty pistol-type gun.

Maybe I expect too much, or expect the wrong things from HK. It just seems to me that when you pay a premium price over the "industry standard" (GLOCK), you should be getting premium performance on more than just reliability. Reliability seems like less of an issue these days. If you are talking about 70's and 80's (or earlier) guns, then yah... there were a lot more guns on the market that would get dirty and start jamming up. But these days most of what is on the market is drop-dead reliable.

So anyway, that is my rant. I found a number of improvements over the USP built into the P2000:
- lower bore axis
- reduced mass of the slide
- sights lower to the top of the slide and seem to work better (for me, YMMV)
- smaller grip
- better ergonomics - I like the flared out baseplate that "locks" your hand in place
- the barrel seems to lock up tighter with the slide, and less frame to slide play
- moves the decocker off the side of the pistol to allow for different (and for a lot of people) better and higher grips.

I thought that all of this (and more) was incorporated into the P30/P30L... and I still think it has been. I am going to go and try and look at one on Saturday if they still have any at my local shop. I heard they had some but haven't been in there since then.

So.. yah, I want to like this gun - but some of what you guys have posted on here makes me wonder. I'm not criticizing your shooting at all, but I'm just having flashbacks here of point of impact drifting around when shooting my USP.

Anybody know if HK barrels are designed for a particular round.... like 124gr., etc., etc. in a 9mm?
 
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I think they test them with either a 124 or 115gr fmj,...Fiochi I think?

Although I prefer the 147gr
 
:evil:something is at the gunshop.......

too be honest,...if this had taken any longer,..I would probably be getting a Desert baby eagle. I guess that will have to wait.:(
 
as compared to my memory of the USP stainless with Match trigger.......the DA is heavier, but smooth. The SA breaks clean, but has too much movement before the break and reset is not on par with the match SA.

MUCH better grip,..easy to use decocker,....mags appear to be good quality. This is combat type gun,..and a good IPSC production pistol
 
going to try it this weekend,....never even shot it yet. First round of the match is going to break it in.
 
The P30L is a very nice pistol. For myself and my big hands I'm happier with the USP. That said if I had to keep only one of the 3 it would be the P2000... that is a sweet pistol.
 
Used it this weekend at an IPSC match,...tanked the field stage,..but did well in a few other stages. Very decent gun,..much improved recoil over the USP,..sight is right back in place,..recoil is minimal,..sights are a little large,..but this gun is set up as a fighting gun (duty usage).
The sights were off to the left, and corrected that with a few taps on the rear sight. MY mag changes were way off,..so much I was reaching across a table for a mag that went sailing after I missed the mag change. NO malfunctions at all,...reset was better than I thought.:redface:

For a gun I have never used before I did ok,....but again,..my first stage was the first time I shot this pistol.
 
After reading about the P30L, I am not sure if it is really worth it. It does not seem like a big improvement over the USP..
 
I handled a P30L at P&D today. The grip is much better than my P2000. However the gun is HUGE. I wouldn't buy the gun even if we were able to get 15 round mags due to the size. Also it has the DA/SA trigger instead of the SA like LEM which I have grown to really like.

Now if they were to do the P30 treatment on a P2000 size gun and have an LEM trigger I'd buy it.
 
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