Heckler & Koch's HK416

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I have some extra money kicking around for an HK 416 and some optics for it. I had a chance to handle this firearm at Italian Sporting Goods about 2 months ago, I liked it.

What I want to know is, is it worth it? I have searched the interwebz looking for negitive feed back on it and can't find any. Although I have heard people say it's not the most accurate AR clone in the world.

Does anyone know of a reason why not to buy this rifle?

Edit: Yes, I have seen the Future Weapons test on it. I don't like to go off what that shows says because, it's all paid for advertising.
 
well frankly the HK 416 in canada is going to run you anywhere from $6k-10K

if you where handling the HK MR223 then you find it a cheaper version of the hk416.... I forget what the prices where but the upper/lower are unique in the pin locations so that neither will work with other "ar15" lowers or uppers.

i think if your buying it to shoot its a great piece of kit, BUT I think the ruger piston ar15 when it finally gets to canada will be a much better deal then the HK and the rugers upper/lower will work with other ar15 uppers/lowers.

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=308009&highlight=mr223

link to hk thread and pictures from uncle walter
 
Thanks for the link Westicle, I didn't see that because I was searching HK 416.
I know what the 416 costs, and i'm prepared to pay the money for it. It would be nice if it was NR'ed for that price, but what are you gunna do?
 
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the firearm in question at Italian was in fact the MR223 as I also checked this one out. Bought a CQB instead as I wanted something with a short barrel. Price on the MR was in around the $4500 area.
 
You'd be happier with a swiss arms...

If 10 round mags are the only reason you want an AR platform, than import a SG 556 lower from the US.

It'll still come up cheaper than the HK 416 and you'd get a better system.
 
nickorette said:
You'd be happier with a swiss arms...

If 10 round mags are the only reason you want an AR platform, than import a SG 556 lower from the US.

It'll still come up cheaper than the HK 416 and you'd get a better system.
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What makes it a better system?
 
For $4500 and change I bought two ARs a .22lr conversion and a bunch of mags and ammo. If I had been more realistic on my ARs I could have done much better than that I'm sure.

To compare a RRA and an LMT side by side as they are somewhat (and arguably) at other ends of the "quality/mil-spec stds" spectrum I don't see a drastic difference.
Both are nice enough toys for a shmuck like me.

At some point as with all things. The extra dollars you'll pump into novelty/quality don't pay off as well as quantity or variety.

To own a MR223 will pretty well kill your desire to own a Norinco. Then you'll have that much less in life to lust after. What's the fun in that? :)

I'd like to do a side by side comparison on a Chinese AR and see first hand what the hell I paid for. ;)

Black rifle owners in Canada are, for the most part, recreational sport shooters. My thought and personal feeling is that I'd rather have a bunch of cool stuff to shoot than one awesome one. There are after all many types of fun.

But if you're one of the lucky few who already has all the toys.... GET THE MR223....
and share it with your range buddies!!!!
 
There is no compelling reason besides cost not to buy the HK, it is a fine firearm. I have however noticed that there are a lot of folks(not painting everyone here) who have a lot of fine firearms but very little in the "skill at arms" area. For my money I would buy a (insert name brand AR), some spares, mags, ammo a Glock 17 with rig and some training. YMMV of course.
 
sparrow said:
There is no compelling reason besides cost not to buy the HK, it is a fine firearm. I have however noticed that there are a lot of folks(not painting everyone here) who have a lot of fine firearms but very little in the "skill at arms" area. For my money I would buy a (insert name brand AR), some spares, mags, ammo a Glock 17 with rig and some training. YMMV of course.
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:agree:

A Glock, a Sig, a S&W, a Ruger, a Savage, a Remi, a Browning, a Stag...

I LIKE it... I like it alot.
 
It's really up to you if it's worth it or not; there's nothing wrong with the rifle itself, it's a fine rifle. I just find it too expensive for what you get;

1) No flash hider and uses it's own threading; AR15 flash hiders will not fit. Flash hiders for civilians though is more asthetic then practical.

2) No iron sights (can be an advantage, nothing to interfere with sight picture and if you're dropping this much money on a rifle, you're at least putting on a nightforce / US optics / Schmidt and Bender / Elcan SpectreDR on there. Minimum).

3) 223 chamber. Means firing 5.56 is a nono, but that can be fixed easily with a new barrel or not firing 5.56.

4) Still classed restricted, although no one is quite certain if it's because of the 16.5" barrel or if it's been classed an AR15 variant. If it's because of the barrel then a new barrel and chamber will fix both of the last two issues I have with it.
 
I'd personally advise against it, but it's your call in the end. You're getting a great quality AR for maybe double what it should really cost and it doesn't even include (what I see as basic) features that cheaper ARs do. :confused: .223 chamber, weird threads, can't swap uppers...

It's a $2300 AR, max. You're paying another $2200 for the "Hk" marking on it.
 
Westicle said:
i think if your buying it to shoot its a great piece of kit, BUT I think the ruger piston ar15 when it finally gets to canada will be a much better deal then the HK and the rugers upper/lower will work with other ar15 uppers/lowers.
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You can't really compare the quality of HK and Ruger products. Plus, the 416 has already proven itself to be a reliable system while Ruger is yet to do so.

As with most things in life, you get what you pay for.
 
Starscream said:
It's really up to you if it's worth it or not; there's nothing wrong with the rifle itself, it's a fine rifle. I just find it too expensive for what you get;

1) No flash hider and uses it's own threading; AR15 flash hiders will not fit. Flash hiders for civilians though is more asthetic then practical.

2) No iron sights (can be an advantage, nothing to interfere with sight picture and if you're dropping this much money on a rifle, you're at least putting on a nightforce / US optics / Schmidt and Bender / Elcan SpectreDR on there. Minimum).

3) 223 chamber. Means firing 5.56 is a nono, but that can be fixed easily with a new barrel or not firing 5.56.

4) Still classed restricted, although no one is quite certain if it's because of the 16.5" barrel or if it's been classed an AR15 variant. If it's because of the barrel then a new barrel and chamber will fix both of the last two issues I have with it.
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1) flashhider is not hard to put on, dlask will thread one of thier various ones into whatever thread you want since they make them onsite.

2) BUIS are easy to get, the troy ones are the nicest....

3) you can get the chamber reamed for 5.56 easy enough... don't even have to take the barrel off.

4) its an ar15 no matter what, the lower is the restricted part.
 
capp325 said:
You can't really compare the quality of HK and Ruger products. Plus, the 416 has already proven itself to be a reliable system while Ruger is yet to do so.

As with most things in life, you get what you pay for.
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true dat, but the ruger "should" come in at less then half the price of the HK.... frankly I have owned HK and sure it looks nice but does it physically do anything that other brands don't ?
 
sparrow said:
There is no compelling reason besides cost not to buy the HK, it is a fine firearm. I have however noticed that there are a lot of folks(not painting everyone here) who have a lot of fine firearms but very little in the "skill at arms" area. For my money I would buy a (insert name brand AR), some spares, mags, ammo a Glock 17 with rig and some training. YMMV of course.
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1) I spent over 13 grand last year in ammo(Not including the years before that.), I hope I have aquired some skill over that time.

2) I have over 30 5/30's and 10 Lar-15 mags. I also have tons and tons of .223 AE ammo. I own a G17 already that has been fully modd'ed. I have CR Speed holsters and pouches, ect..

3) Tactical Responce alumnin here. Training is never done though, so I agree that money could be better spent on more training - something to consider.
 
I guess the question would then be: what are your expections for the HK416 over the other 'great' quality brands ?? basically what is your motivation behind this gun ??

To summerize:
Pro's: HK quality, gas piston
Con's: Not AR-15 interchangable, cost, .223 (MR223, the HK416 is 5.56)...

and other stuff noted above.
 
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