Heckler & Koch's HK416
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Don't kid yourselves with what's stamped on the barrel. MR.223's and SL8's are all 5.56mm chambers. They are only marked .223 for Federal German Law to indicate a civillian product. This has been well documented on HK PRO.
If you have the money and want the HK, buy it. It's a better product than a standard AR15. We can debate if it's worth the money all day. Is a BMW better than a Chev ? How much better ? Can you get parts easier ? ect.ect.ect...
Bottom line, if you have the money buy it, it's a great gun.
Rich
If you have the money and want the HK, buy it. It's a better product than a standard AR15. We can debate if it's worth the money all day. Is a BMW better than a Chev ? How much better ? Can you get parts easier ? ect.ect.ect...
Bottom line, if you have the money buy it, it's a great gun.
Rich
The voice of truth finally comes out.
Thank you.
Its amazing how much info about the 416/MR223 is constantly s cued with miss facts and AR-15.com propaganda.
Anyone who's shot both for extended periods of time and has common sense will pick the MR223/MR556/416.
I just finished a week long course with a Federal US agency and was issued a Colt M4. Great gun, it never had one malfunction all week. Very light, accurate, got dirty as hell. I poured the oil on it and it kept running, even when very hot. Pain in the Axx to clean.
Having said that I'd never trade it for my HK416. Runs cleaner and cooler, higher quality, more accurate. Firing pin safety / spring (not floating as with the M4). The only down side is that the HK416 is a little heavier. I'll take the bit of extra weight.
This may shock and offend some people but we are starting to see several NATO SOF's, who use Colt Canada guns, start to migrate to the HK416. Why, because it's better. How much better? I don't know, lets debate it for several more pages which will accomplish nothing. If money is tight, buy the Colt, good gun. If money's not an issue, buy HK.
Rich
I just finished a week long course with a Federal US agency and was issued a Colt M4. Great gun, it never had one malfunction all week. Very light, accurate, got dirty as hell. I poured the oil on it and it kept running, even when very hot. Pain in the Axx to clean.
Having said that I'd never trade it for my HK416. Runs cleaner and cooler, higher quality, more accurate. Firing pin safety / spring (not floating as with the M4). The only down side is that the HK416 is a little heavier. I'll take the bit of extra weight.
This may shock and offend some people but we are starting to see several NATO SOF's, who use Colt Canada guns, start to migrate to the HK416. Why, because it's better. How much better? I don't know, lets debate it for several more pages which will accomplish nothing. If money is tight, buy the Colt, good gun. If money's not an issue, buy HK.
Rich
Starscream
CGN frequent flyer
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- Southern Alberta
1) It's not so much that, H&K doesn't specify what the thread is and didn't bother to mention it. Someone actually had to find out the hard way that AR15 FH's don't fit, then had to go out and measure it to find out H&K uses a M15x1 threading on the barrel. H&K was oddly silent when asked about it.
2 & 3 I'll concede, but again, for the money you're paying for the rifle it shouldn't have to be extras.
4) Well there you go.
..... well what are you waiting for then?! Go out and buy it!
You'll be a lot more content if you bought it and found after out the fact you didn't like it than if you didn't buy it and spent all that time wondering if you would've liked it. Absolute worse that'll happen is that you'll loose a hundred bucks or so if you resell.
- Location
- Port Perry/Toronto
Finish: ceramic-reinforced enamel coat called Ilaflon.
Materials: The receiver and gas system are made of steel. The barrel, bolt, bolt carrier, and firing pin are all made with steel that has been gas nitrided, hardened and tempered. The bolt and carrier, along with most other components internal to the receiver undergo a phosphating process.
Quality control: Swiss Made. Does not leave the factory untill it shoots 24 shots into 7x11cm at 300m.(4.3"X2.8" at 330 yards) with Swiss Match ammo.
Reliability: AK style gas system. 30,000 round barrel life. 100,000+ rounds for all major components. I have never, ever had a FTF or a FTE, and that's in -20C to +20, with all kinds of high and low powder reloads.
(more on test standards: http://www.biggerhammer.net/sigamt/550/550techinspection/ )
With my reloads I can get it down to 0.95 MOA/5 shots, and I have not even started using match bullets or a proper bench-rest yet.
Don't get me wrong, the HK 416/Mr. 223 is a good rifle, but I don't think you'd be getting your money's worth compared to the competition.
Screw it. I'm either getting the black special with the 556 lower, or a LMT CQB. It's a lot easyer to fine those rifles then someone with a brand new HK 416. I want my stuff tommorow basically.
Thanks for the info Nickorette and RedDuc.
PS;
An interesting thread: http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=26421
Thanks for the info Nickorette and RedDuc.
PS;
An interesting thread: http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=26421
I'm sorry but that thread has incorrect information in it. I would not base your decision on that thread. The thread is just written by LMT fanboys, although it is a good choice.
Being that I am the guilty party sharing that link
I'd like to know what's incorrect within it?
IIRC buried in there are some less than glowing comments on (early) piston LMTs reliability.
I WISH I had the dinero to buy a HK but realistically I got the LMT. Part of that decision was exactly as other posters have said getting parts for a HK or any piston AR could potentially be an issue. <Thats a whole other thread>
In the end I'm pretty confident that the HK is the better or should I say... more desirable of the two.
In reality the day my MRP arrived I was not disappointed. The fact that it came with an AR-15 7" pistol didn't hurt.....
Happy shopping....
rajczak_kashka
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Surrey, B.C.
re mr223
anybody cut the barrel on their mr223 down to 10.5" or 14.5" yet? If so, who did the work and what was the cost? Might as well get 1/2x28 tpi threads cut into if you are going to shorten it up and install the proper A2 birdcage flashider...eh? How do you go about the re-registration if you modify the firearm in this manner?
anybody cut the barrel on their mr223 down to 10.5" or 14.5" yet? If so, who did the work and what was the cost? Might as well get 1/2x28 tpi threads cut into if you are going to shorten it up and install the proper A2 birdcage flashider...eh? How do you go about the re-registration if you modify the firearm in this manner?
My agency tested the 416's and 417's last year. The tester rifles that were sent to us both lacked the accuracy that I would expect out of an AR style rifle. If you really have your heart set on an HK 416 that's one thing, but I would much rather buy a piston LMT or something similar.
Being that I am the guilty party sharing that link
I'd like to know what's incorrect within it?
IIRC buried in there are some less than glowing comments on (early) piston LMTs reliability.
I WISH I had the dinero to buy a HK but realistically I got the LMT. Part of that decision was exactly as other posters have said getting parts for a HK or any piston AR could potentially be an issue. <Thats a whole other thread>
In the end I'm pretty confident that the HK is the better or should I say... more desirable of the two.
In reality the day my MRP arrived I was not disappointed. The fact that it came with an AR-15 7" pistol didn't hurt.....
Happy shopping....
Well the first thing that stood out in my mind was the statement about the LMT being more smooth in recoil, after that i really lost interest.
On a side note if I remember right using those Yankee hill front sights with H&KG3 style rear sight does not help either, apparently it will not be properly lined up. I forget the detail exactly why!(all follow up on this to get the right info & links)
Anyways I'm a fan of LMT but the H&K416/MR223 I would prefer by far.
I find that very surprising, just by using these rifles myself, and others I have not notice any difference of accuracy to say the least. In fact it was and is more the other way around!
I've seen a number of Hk417 and Hk416's
Several entities have beached recent Hk416's due to poor accuracy and some other issues, issues that did not occur with early ones.
Hk417's - every single one I have seen makes me beleive its an on going R&D program that they should not have released.
Some entities are wait on theirs, and Hk has not delivered.
Several entities have beached recent Hk416's due to poor accuracy and some other issues, issues that did not occur with early ones.
Hk417's - every single one I have seen makes me beleive its an on going R&D program that they should not have released.
Some entities are wait on theirs, and Hk has not delivered.
Definitely agree on the weight is a little more, but hey its not really that noticeable, just do more push ups. LOL..
