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- Halifax - NS
Week 1 - December 08.
HELP - can decide IPSC Prod gun???
- Thread starter nerosrevenge
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Cool feature about the K100 worth mentioning. When you slam the mag into the receiver the slide catch releases and the pistol chambers a round without the shooter having to hit the slide catch, which is a good thing because the slide release is pretty slim on the K100 haha.
I've shot the CZ SP-01 as well and I have to say it's a much easier pistol to shoot then the K100 in my opinion. The K100 has the cool round chambering feature I just mentioned, a better DA trigger pull and a nicer grip. The CZ has an easier to work (more pronounced) safety/slide catch, a better SA trigger pull (the STI GP-6 might, and should be better), a longer sight radius and above all it HEAVIER.
My vote CZ SP-01.
I've shot the CZ SP-01 as well and I have to say it's a much easier pistol to shoot then the K100 in my opinion. The K100 has the cool round chambering feature I just mentioned, a better DA trigger pull and a nicer grip. The CZ has an easier to work (more pronounced) safety/slide catch, a better SA trigger pull (the STI GP-6 might, and should be better), a longer sight radius and above all it HEAVIER.
My vote CZ SP-01.
Nero, is there anywhere in Ontario that is an indoor range that "rents" guns? I'm lucky enough to have such a non club based commercial indoor range close by and they had about 25 guns to try so I was able to shoot lots of variety before I finally made up my mind. I've got a large glove sized hand and for me the Beretta and the CZ Shadow both fit and felt wonderful. Another one on the short list was the IMI Baby Desert Eagle. In the end the Shadow with its fiber front sight and the fact that one came up for sale through this range led me to plunk down my money on that option.
In trying all the guns out including 4 or 5 plastic framed options I found that I far and away preffered the metal framed guns and pretty much the heavier the better. The Glocks, Steyrs and M&P's all jumped in my hands more and I just generally did not like the feel of shooting them as much. The Sig P226 was in the middle with the mass of an aluminium frame. Also I found that the Glocks had too square'ish a grip for my tastes. And of course with the plastic framed guns often you can't swap out grips.
Either way see if there's a similar commercial range with a wide assortment of guns and suck it up and pay the price to shoot as many as you can even at their higher ammo costs (that's how they pay the rent so play along). If you have to travel far to get to it then do so and keep notes on all the guns you shoot or by the end of the day it'll all be one big smoking, noisy blur of impressions unless you're lucky and one particular one jumps out at you. At the very least go around to the stores in your area and see what fits your hand as much as practical.
I'll be doing my own first season of IPSC this summer and I'm really looking forward to it. Handguns are just hyper expensive paper punches at the best of times but having to run and gun and work around all the variations was the draw that made me take the plunge. If it was all just range and target work I'd not have bothered with the whole PAL thing. I'd just have kept going to the commercial range.
In trying all the guns out including 4 or 5 plastic framed options I found that I far and away preffered the metal framed guns and pretty much the heavier the better. The Glocks, Steyrs and M&P's all jumped in my hands more and I just generally did not like the feel of shooting them as much. The Sig P226 was in the middle with the mass of an aluminium frame. Also I found that the Glocks had too square'ish a grip for my tastes. And of course with the plastic framed guns often you can't swap out grips.
Either way see if there's a similar commercial range with a wide assortment of guns and suck it up and pay the price to shoot as many as you can even at their higher ammo costs (that's how they pay the rent so play along). If you have to travel far to get to it then do so and keep notes on all the guns you shoot or by the end of the day it'll all be one big smoking, noisy blur of impressions unless you're lucky and one particular one jumps out at you. At the very least go around to the stores in your area and see what fits your hand as much as practical.
I'll be doing my own first season of IPSC this summer and I'm really looking forward to it. Handguns are just hyper expensive paper punches at the best of times but having to run and gun and work around all the variations was the draw that made me take the plunge. If it was all just range and target work I'd not have bothered with the whole PAL thing. I'd just have kept going to the commercial range.
well Nero, i just went through this scenario with a fellow who is going to take his Black Badge Course with em in two weeks. now just to be clear here all of this is geared for a Production gun (he had decided that is where he want to start. if you want to talk standard or open that bring a whole new dimension to the game.
He started off thinking he wanted to get a Glock cause he had gotten to test fire one at his home range. I told him that if he wanted to he could shoot the BB course with a Glock but i didn't think that was a good gun to start with. My personal view is that a Glock is hard to shot well especially for a beginner.
What i did tell him was to come out on a Sunday and try a few guns. i then got hold of some of the local IPSC shooters and asked them to bring what they had for Production guns besides what they shot. Like typical IPSC shooters they did. besides a Glock, he got to try and Shadow, a H&K USP, a Para LDA, a S&W model 59 and a Sig 226 plus an SVI standard gun in 40 and a STI open gun :}
Well once we wiped the droll off of his mouth and had a bit of time to talk with him he took a hard look at the guns and started to see how they felt. he quickly dismissed the Glock and took a real hard look at the Sig and the Shadow. we then introduced another dimension into it as we have Shadows with the original grips and Shadows with the Aluminium grips. He finally decided that he liked the Shadow with the originally grips on it as it fit his hand well.
Now for you i would suggest you find your local IPSC club, get hold of someone there (odds are he is a member here) and ask him if he can help you with your selection. i am quite sure he will be willing to do something like the above for you.
Good luck.
He started off thinking he wanted to get a Glock cause he had gotten to test fire one at his home range. I told him that if he wanted to he could shoot the BB course with a Glock but i didn't think that was a good gun to start with. My personal view is that a Glock is hard to shot well especially for a beginner.
What i did tell him was to come out on a Sunday and try a few guns. i then got hold of some of the local IPSC shooters and asked them to bring what they had for Production guns besides what they shot. Like typical IPSC shooters they did. besides a Glock, he got to try and Shadow, a H&K USP, a Para LDA, a S&W model 59 and a Sig 226 plus an SVI standard gun in 40 and a STI open gun :}
Well once we wiped the droll off of his mouth and had a bit of time to talk with him he took a hard look at the guns and started to see how they felt. he quickly dismissed the Glock and took a real hard look at the Sig and the Shadow. we then introduced another dimension into it as we have Shadows with the original grips and Shadows with the Aluminium grips. He finally decided that he liked the Shadow with the originally grips on it as it fit his hand well.
Now for you i would suggest you find your local IPSC club, get hold of someone there (odds are he is a member here) and ask him if he can help you with your selection. i am quite sure he will be willing to do something like the above for you.
Good luck.
You may want to reconsider the K100, or whatever model STI is calling theirs... I'd recommend you at least talk to Redleg at the Shooting Edge about the range rental model(s) and the breakages they've had.
From my understanding they are not all they are cracked up to be.
I use a Glock, and have used a CZ and a Sig 226.
I think the Glock is a decent starter pistol due to the simplified controls and the 'safe action' means you will not have to master going from a double action first shot to single action subsequent shots.
They are inexpensive and run well, and generally have a better serviceability track record than the CZs.
Whichever you decide, I think any on your short list would probably give you a good start.
From my understanding they are not all they are cracked up to be.
I use a Glock, and have used a CZ and a Sig 226.
I think the Glock is a decent starter pistol due to the simplified controls and the 'safe action' means you will not have to master going from a double action first shot to single action subsequent shots.
They are inexpensive and run well, and generally have a better serviceability track record than the CZs.
Whichever you decide, I think any on your short list would probably give you a good start.
I started with GLOCK 17. Last year there was such a big deal about the CZ Shadow and the Tanfoglio Stock II that I bought one of each. I took turns shooting the Shadow and the Stock II last year but next year I'm going back to the Glock. Just my 2 cents.....
Used G17 - lots around usually, cheap, little maint. (easy disassemble), buy see what its like to shoot IPSC then sell if you eventually see what you really want, learn this trigger and you can teach yourself to do a lot of things with a lot of pistols
SW M&P - good price, nice out of the box trigger - about same as Glick but much nicer, magwell seems smaller than Glicks
SP01 - good price for a good piece, high maint. (lots of little parts inside), lots of go-fast stuff add-ons that are PD legal
Tang - high end, pistol to buy if you forever want to try to shoot as well as the gun, about same as SP01 just nicer, worth it? I don't think so but I sure would like one.
These are the only real choices I see for PD. The price goes up as the list goes down. Important to note that the triggers on the plastics are always the same. The SP01 and knockoff are da/sa. Heavy first but really nice after.
SW M&P - good price, nice out of the box trigger - about same as Glick but much nicer, magwell seems smaller than Glicks
SP01 - good price for a good piece, high maint. (lots of little parts inside), lots of go-fast stuff add-ons that are PD legal
Tang - high end, pistol to buy if you forever want to try to shoot as well as the gun, about same as SP01 just nicer, worth it? I don't think so but I sure would like one.
These are the only real choices I see for PD. The price goes up as the list goes down. Important to note that the triggers on the plastics are always the same. The SP01 and knockoff are da/sa. Heavy first but really nice after.
Glock is not just for new shooters. I'm an experienced shooter and love using a variety of glock models with my favorite being the 34. I also use a 21SF and the one that started it all....the 17. The 34 offers unsurpassed reliability, great accuracy, great trigger (for a glock) and the price is right.
Whatever you decide to go with, ensure it fits you.
Whatever you decide to go with, ensure it fits you.
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I be very carefull about recommending that...polishing of parts is fine. Anything that causes sparks
(grinding, reprofiling, cutting) is a big no no...
I be very carefull about recommending that...polishing of parts is fine. Anything that causes sparks
I assume you mean from a "sportsmanship" point of view? I mean concealing those types of modifications would technically be considered cheating, yes?
They would be considered against the rules...and you would be shooting the match in Open Division...
