Help identifying scope mounts
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That definitely looks like them!
Haven't purchsed the rifle yet, it was customized at some point by a gunsmith in Germany - .308win M98.
Starting to worry that the hassle/cost to get a scope mounted may be more trouble (and $) than its worth!
Probably going to roll the dice on it...
What are the chances that I would be able to remove those bases and replace them entirely? - d&t pattern = standard??
I assume the current mounts were designed for quick-release; which is a cool function - but not necessary for me.
Thanks for the replies!
They aren’t terribly hard to find - just not super common in NA. Necg would sell them, or in Canada I would try martini gunmakers, or even places like Calgary shooting center or wolverine. Or just unscrew the bases and start from scratch.
Thanks for the insight.
Reason I’m kinda hung up on this particular rifle is I haven’t seen many large ring mausers in .308 (in $500 price range), maybe I’m just not looking hard enough!
If I knew the hole pattern was somewhat standard starting from scratch wouldn’t bother me.
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ah ah the price may be he hard part thus the reason of finding the rings to match your bases ... look up on a zastava 70 in 308 you should find one if you need a mauser action.
They look like standard screw spacing to me. I'd just throw those ones out and replace them with something normal.
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- Western Manitoba
"Standard" hole pattern - no clue what an Austrian or German maker would have used?? From Weaver listings - #46 base for front - will have 0.860" centre to centre holes and #45 for rear (large ring) and that is given as .504" centre to centre holes. Of the commercial ones that I have bought - Husqvarna, and Zastava, they had holes on that spacing, and were tapped 6-48 screws and threads - that is what comes with those bases from Weaver - no clue what the smaller or guild European makers would have used??? Appears that Weaver, Leupold, Warne, and probably others, do agree on hole spacing for their bases - of course, needed the separate gun makers to go along with the idea as well.
Some do not play nice?? I have had Win M70 with two different hole spacings for rear bridge, from factory - apparently the 300 H&H and 375 H&H got a closer spacing than other calibers - no idea how "new" ones are set up - the 375 H&H I played with was early 1960's; the 30-06 is from 1955. I have had several Mausers, maybe "home jobs", with three holes on the rear bridge - maybe covering their bets??
Another unusual spacing is Weaver #36 - the only one, I think, with .604" hole spacing - very large radius underneath - shows up on rear bridge of BSA sporter conversions - have not seen any others except the Parker Hales that were made for the same rifle.
Some do not play nice?? I have had Win M70 with two different hole spacings for rear bridge, from factory - apparently the 300 H&H and 375 H&H got a closer spacing than other calibers - no idea how "new" ones are set up - the 375 H&H I played with was early 1960's; the 30-06 is from 1955. I have had several Mausers, maybe "home jobs", with three holes on the rear bridge - maybe covering their bets??
Another unusual spacing is Weaver #36 - the only one, I think, with .604" hole spacing - very large radius underneath - shows up on rear bridge of BSA sporter conversions - have not seen any others except the Parker Hales that were made for the same rifle.
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Well I ordered the rifle...
https://www.tradeexcanada.com/content/effmert-m98-mauser-sporter-308-win
Whole thing is a bit of a mystery - Effmert??
May be fun figuring it all out, really wanted an 'oldie but a goodie' .308 to handload for & compliment some of my newer ones, so maybe this fits the bill.
Thanks again for all the info.
Will definitely be measuring screw spaces when I get my hands on it, then come back here and ask for more help!
https://www.tradeexcanada.com/content/effmert-m98-mauser-sporter-308-win
Whole thing is a bit of a mystery - Effmert??
May be fun figuring it all out, really wanted an 'oldie but a goodie' .308 to handload for & compliment some of my newer ones, so maybe this fits the bill.
Thanks again for all the info.
Will definitely be measuring screw spaces when I get my hands on it, then come back here and ask for more help!
Good idea.
I did drop them a line a few weeks ago about the rifle - no reply.
But now that I've actually shelled out that would help lubricate the conversation you'd think?
Just sent them another email about the mounts specifically.
- Location
- Western Manitoba
Don't be mislead! Front looks like a "twist in" like you see on Leupold STD and similar - but rear base looks like a dovetail of some sort - probably had a release slide on the rear base or on the rear ring? Engage front stud, swing into position, "click" rear ring onto rear base?? Leupold STD and Redfield, etc. had big opposing windage screws - that rear base does not appear to have those?
I was/still am confused about the rear mount being a basic dovetail..
I really appreciate all the info you have provided, and will definitely be referencing your messages once I get the rifle & take some measurements with my callipers.
Cheers
- Location
- Western Manitoba
I have a set of "claw mounts" that got me looking into how they worked. I read they were often hand made by guild gun makers - bases, claws, etc. all filed out, fitted, hardened, etc. so not really "interchangeable". The set I have appears to be machine made - not finished fitting though - clearly to be "final fit" once bases attached to a rifle. Nearest that I can find online are the Ziegler claw mounts - but these have no brand name or insignia, so perhaps a "knock off". That set has one ring with two spring loaded "clamps" on each side - engage and swing the other one into position, the ring with the clamps "snaps" onto it's base to "lock" it in place. Purely guessing on my part, but I would suspect that idea is similar to how yours worked???
