I think most people today shoot there rifles at ranges and as such are not to concerned about the overall weight or the scope and rifle combined. However if you are planning on carrying it while hunting or hiking, this becomes more of an issue. In this regard the 30mm tube Vortex PST 1-4 weights either 14.4 or 16.2 ounces compared to 9.6 for a 1" tube Leupold AR Mod1 1.5-4. The Vortex is in fact one of the lighter 30mm tubed scopes, since by the time you get to the Vortex Razor it is 25 ounces and you still have to add in the weight of the mount (7 ounces). I came across an article on the Leupold Deltapoint reflex sight and one thing in the article I found interesting was "One advantage of a reflex sight that helps in this regard is their light weight. Due to the law of inertia a lighter object will have less stress on it from the acceleration; ie. the heavier an object is the more stress it will undergo, other factors being the same." It would seem that Leupold takes advantage of this fact in there scopes, since they tend to be lighter than the competition and have a very good record for durability. I should add I am considering using a Leupold Deltapoint reflex sight on a rifle because of its weight and also the motion detection power on feature which is common to a lot of the Leupold scopes.
Help me find a scope for my SHTF rifle
- Thread starter A.R.X-D
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A.R.X-D, I apologize, I misinterpreted your post, and I think others did in the same way that I did. When you said "dropped the budget limit" I read I as you lowered the amount of money you're willing to spend. My bad.
Yes, ugly as all hell, there is a reason why it's referred to as the "spare tire." Aesthetics are debatable person to person though, so your mileage may vary. That doesn't take away from what a fantastic optic it is though for your intended use.
The DR comes in an either 1X4, or a 1.5X6, they make them for .556 BDU reticle and a 7.62 BDU.
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It's really not that bad for a magnified optic. I found it really easy to aim and shoot even at 20y (with both eyes open). Anyway under 20y it's more point and shoot.....
I'll add a 45degre offset mount with a deltapoint or iron sight.
why have an optic at 25 yards even ? Im telling you guys, irons are the way to go. A lot of my buddies like to hunt deer with irons also.
I would assume the poster shoots some form of tac rifle. Targets are from 10 yards, all the way out to 200 yards.
Plenty of people throw their Savage + Bushnell on the back of their truck and use it for real bush whacking and hunting unlike the majority of Nightforce equipped AR range queens.
Except for surviving grenades and mortar rounds, or whatever ridiculous fantasy you have in your head, I contend that a Bushnell is sufficient for all civilian purposes. I have not heard otherwise from actual users.
The Bushnell 4200 is made in Japan and is exponentially superior to scopes used in WW2 in terms of durability and reliability. Technology has a funny tendency of moving forward. It makes me laugh when people buy into the tactical advertising hype - surely you're not that gullible are you? Companies make these scopes expecting that their owners are going to accidentally drop their rifles. These scopes go through durability tests like all good products do. Okay maybe not grenade blasts, so if that's what you want your gun to withstand then you got me there.
I get that some scopes have rubber shells and shock proofing for actual use in war, but short of fighting an actual sustained war - a friggin Bushnell is going to be more than enough for SHTF. How durable do you think WW2 scopes were?
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I love it when someone says "heres my budget" and a pile of people either ridicule them for their lack of funds (haha... your POOR) or ignore it all together and suggest things worth 3X more.
I have had 2 bushnell 1-4s. The last one was illuminated (like the one pictured above) and it was GREAT. I paid $200 for it used. Lived on my VZ-58, XCR in 7.62 and .223 AND my Tavor. It WAS cheap, but it was clear, worked without the illumination on (so no battery was no problem) and held zero. What more do you want.
After switching to a Vortex Viper I CAN tell a tiny difference in the quality of the glass but honestly, its nothing to be embarrased about. I just bought another Bushnell... a slighly higher end model ($275 retail) with tactical style turrets but no illumination. It has a .223 ranging reticle. I havent tried it yet but plan to put it on my T97 when the M14.ca top rail comes out. Its clear, feels tough and wasnt expensive. I see no reason to try one and see if you like it. If you don't, youll get almost all of your money back when you sell it.
Tavor with the first Bushnell on it:
Take your mounted bushnell invert the rifle and drop it. Will it still work?
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ACOG TA-31 with fold down iron sights.
An ACOG is light, has great optics, tritium & fibre optic reticle illumination, available with 5.56 BDC reticle. Even with 4X I can shoot at closer ranges with both eyes open, but still accurately reach out to 300+ yards. Plus it's built "tough as nails"!
As mentioned above, one can never go wrong with a good set of iron sights.
An ACOG is light, has great optics, tritium & fibre optic reticle illumination, available with 5.56 BDC reticle. Even with 4X I can shoot at closer ranges with both eyes open, but still accurately reach out to 300+ yards. Plus it's built "tough as nails"!
As mentioned above, one can never go wrong with a good set of iron sights.
Elcan Specter DR.
Best optic I've ever looked through in the 1-4 power range.
I also have an ACOG but it's fixed 4 power so not exactly what your looking for.
Nightforce makes a nice 1-4 and Sightron makes a sweet 1-7. Also look at Trijicon accupoint 1-4.
Best optic I've ever looked through in the 1-4 power range.
I also have an ACOG but it's fixed 4 power so not exactly what your looking for.
Nightforce makes a nice 1-4 and Sightron makes a sweet 1-7. Also look at Trijicon accupoint 1-4.
Plenty of people throw their Savage + Bushnell on the back of their truck and use it for real bush whacking and hunting unlike the majority of Nightforce equipped AR range queens.
Except for surviving grenades and mortar rounds, or whatever ridiculous fantasy you have in your head, I contend that a Bushnell is sufficient for all civilian purposes. I have not heard otherwise from actual users.
The Bushnell 4200 is made in Japan and is exponentially superior to scopes used in WW2 in terms of durability and reliability. Technology has a funny tendency of moving forward. It makes me laugh when people buy into the tactical advertising hype - surely you're not that gullible are you? Companies make these scopes expecting that their owners are going to accidentally drop their rifles. These scopes go through durability tests like all good products do. Okay maybe not grenade blasts, so if that's what you want your gun to withstand then you got me there.
I get that some scopes have rubber shells and shock proofing for actual use in war, but short of fighting an actual sustained war - a friggin Bushnell is going to be more than enough for SHTF. How durable do you think WW2 scopes were?
True but the OP said it is for his SHTF gun meaning he wants it to be able to take any and all abuse and still function. You don't get that kind of durability if you use a Bushnell, that is what mil-spec is, it means it has been tested to withstand being dropped and beat on including using your rifle as a club and still hold zero (if mounted in a quality mount). Bushnell makes a fine scope but there is a reason no military or law enforcement units have them on their rifles. It isn't just tactical hype.
High end optics also offer things like turret repeatability that a Bushnell and other cheaper scopes can't offer. I can take my Nightforce 5.5-22 and dial up any amount of elevation and windage and fire rounds then dial back to the previous setting and the point of impact is exactly where I zero'd it.
And WW2 scopes were only on sniper rifles not battle rifles getting the sh!t beat out of them every day.
Bushnell makes a fine scope for civilian use and they last for years on hunting rifles banging around on the back seat of the truck and on the quad but in the situation the OP mentioned he wants it for only a high end scope rated for military use and proven in combat by troops fits the bill. That is why I say Elcan Specter DR, Nightforce, S&B, or Trijicon and a couple others are the only options for him.
Had he said I want a nice scope to put on my rifle for 0-300 yards you are completely correct, a $2000 optic would be overkill but that's not what he asked for.
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He already said he has BUIS on the rifle. He agree's with you but wants a magnified optic as well. Nothing wrong with that and since he asked us to help him pick an optic and not if he should have an optic...
I find this comment rather amusing. Just another hater. Bushnell makes some fantastic products which are indeed cheaper than many of the Nightforce optics. I'm not a Nightforce hater by any means, but a good friend of mine has the 5.5-22x56 NXS on his rifle and for the money spent, it should have better glass. Check out the Bushnell Elite Tactical lineup which features the 1-6.5x and 1-8.5x models which have gotten great feedback.
Quality is more than just "great glass". Bushnell sucks and it appears the only line they put any effort into is their elite tactical line. For those prices there are far better options from far more reputable manufacturers.
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