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you DO realise that we're only talking about 50 or so yards here?- the mpbr( maximum point blank range) - the range at which the variance is no more than 3 inches off the centre line for the 308/180 is 267 yards, the 06 /180 is 276 yards and the 300 is 325 - all with the same bullet- the difference is is that the 308 uses roughly 51 grains of powder, the 06 is somewhere around 50-54 and the 300 roughly 65, with velocity of 2500 for the 308 and 2830 for the 300- that's all using ww760 powder- in other words you burned 14 grains more powder for 300 fps- and 50 more feet of range- moreover, i've got 2 more rounds AND a LIGHTER rifle, and my shoulder isn't sore later
 
sPuTnik said:
Sharpshooter!

I have a stable of guns of all sorts and each holds a special place in my heart and there is a tool for any situation.... Your quest is not a simple one - everyone has a different set of needs and each gun performs different to each user.......

I agree with the gentleman who wrote the above quote. Out of all my guns my ole 7600 in 'odd 6' (30.06) is my favourite! I would not sell her for the world! (well for a $1M - MAYBE!). I bought her when I was 15 years old from a my summer's lawn cutting earnings.... I remember plunking down each crumbled $10 bill! This gun is the first out of the safe every season and the last one to be put to bed.

Good for deer, moose, bear, wolf... whatever it will put it down. Very effective for 125 yards and under, which is where most game is taken down IMHO.

30-06 ammo is ultra common and found almost anywhere in a pinch. Cost effective to reload.

Another member quoted

"....a 300 mag is just a 06 on SPEED- it does exactly the same job- but way more EXPENSIVE in terms of powder...'

I got one of those too in a 700 Mountain Rifle... absolutely beautiful. It does at 300 yards what the 30.06 does at 100 yards. I love to shoot a 165grain load in my 300 WIN magnum. A varmit at 300 yards in as good as dead. As mentioned ammo is more expensive and she loves to use more powder.

My advise is go to the range with your friends and try a few different combinations of gun models and calibers. Some of us spend our lives finding that elusive 'perfect rifle'... Good luck my friend.
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You have a 700 Mtn rifle in 300win? Did you get it rechambered or something? I don't think they ever came from the factory like that. Must have quite a kick.
 
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t-star said:
you DO realise that we're only talking about 50 or so yards here?- the mpbr( maximum point blank range) - the range at which the variance is no more than 3 inches off the centre line for the 308/180 is 267 yards, the 06 /180 is 276 yards and the 300 is 325 - all with the same bullet- the difference is is that the 308 uses roughly 51 grains of powder, the 06 is somewhere around 50-54 and the 300 roughly 65, with velocity of 2500 for the 308 and 2830 for the 300- that's all using ww760 powder- in other words you burned 14 grains more powder for 300 fps- and 50 more feet of range- moreover, i've got 2 more rounds AND a LIGHTER rifle, and my shoulder isn't sore later
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If you're only getting 2830 fps with a 180 gr bullet in a 300win, pick a different powder [WW760 isn't the best one]. Bump that velocity up to 3000 fps where it belongs for the 300win. The magum and the .308 do not run in the same cirlces, but yes, there is a price to be paid. Which is why there's an argument for the 300wsm. :stirthepot2: With it you get the lighter rifle, the short action, and ballistics slightly behind the 300 win. But, yes, I'd gladly burn a bit more powder to get 500+ fps.
 
If you guys keep telling everyone about the 6.5x55, there won't be any left for the rest of us. If Remington made a 7600 in 6.5x55, I would only need that, my 10/22, and my 11-87. Done.
 
i purposely chose 760 as a powder that all 3 could burn , just so you could see i was comparing apples to apples- 760 is NOT the best for the 308 either- it's kind of smoky and doesn't burn near as efficiently as 748- we're still talking about another 50 yards, and i can stalk that- if i NEED to reach out and clobber something , i've got the 338 win mag- which is in a whole different league than your 300s- heavier bullets, and going faster to boot-
 
I agree. The 338win is a fair bit different than the 30 cal magnums. It will send a 200 grainer about the same speed as the 300 win will send a 180 grainer. The case capacity between the two is nearly identical, but the bigger diameter makes a big difference!
Where I don't really agree with you is that the 308win is only doing 300 fps less than the 300 win mag. It's more like 500 fps.
The 50m difference in MPBR I agree with. Ran a little test on a ballistic calculator, and it is just as you said. I used 180gr NAB's for the test. The MPBR of the 308 was 240m, and the MPBR of the 300 win is 290m. What's interesting, though is at the bottom end of the MPBR, ie: where each is at -3 inches, the energy of the .308 is 1775 ft lbs, and the energy of the 300 win is 2440 ft lbs. That could make a difference, potentially.
 
Post 2008 Winchester Model 70 Featherweight....Epps has them new for 740$.

Calibre...go on their website, close your eye's and point your finger at one.

If it were me I'd get a .270 WCF or .300 WM...they just seem to "go with" the Model 70. :)
 
and you're HANDICAPPING the 338 by shooting 200 grainers- where it REALLY shines is with 250 -275 grain bullets going about 2700 fps- as far as the 308 is concerned, let's handicap your 300 with a 20 -22 inch barrel, which is what most 308/06s are equipped with- you'll see with the shorter tube, they're NOT that far apart-the only difference is when you hit bone, and how badly you want that bone to shatter- that's why i don't use the 338 on deer- makes too much of a mess
 
Yeah, the 200 grainer is light for the 338, but you had said the 338 shoots heavier bullets faster than the 300 win does, so I was just trying to agree with you. I picked a weight that was heavier than the 30 cal's 180gr, and to get the equal velocity it had to be 200 grains. Anything more in weight, and the velocities are slower than that of the 300 win. No one is here is trying to handicap anything. The 338 is a fine cartridge. Personally, I've always thought the best weight for the 338 is 225 gr at about 2800 fps, but hey, that's another discussion.
As for putting a magnum... really ANY magnum, in a barrel less than 24", well that's just crazy. We could go the other way around, though. What if we put the .308win in a 24" tube? would it step up in velocity like the 300 win does? It will increase a bit, but not as rapidly as does the 300 win. Actually, I also think that a 30-06 with less than 22" isn't at it's best either. So yeah, if you've got a 20" bbl, you might as well shoot a .308. Otherwise you're not seeing the benefit of the larger case capacity.
Most reloading manuals use a 24" bbl for the .308, and still list the top velocities for 180gr bullets at about 2500. The manuals will also have a 26" bbl for the 300 mag. and list the top velocities at 3000 fps for a 180 gr bullet. So that's only 2" difference. If we bring the .300 mag back to 24" to compare with the .308, then the 300 will lose about 75 fps. That difference is still more than the 300 fps difference you were talking about. Now, if we take the .308 to a 20" bbl, then it will lose about 120 fps off what the book says. So the 180gr bullet is really only going about 2380 fps.
So, a short bbl for a .308 [20"], compared to a short bbl for a 300 mag [24"] will give a difference of 545 fps. That is a big difference. So let's make the .308 a 22" bbl., since that is also common. You'll be at around 2440 fps. Compare to the 300 mag with a 24" tube [short by magnum standards] and the difference is 485 fps.
Okay, now lets take the 300 mag to 22" [ridiculous]. It's still at around 2850 fps. That's still 400 fps faster than a 308 with the same length bbl.
Never has the difference been 300 fps.
That's what I was disagreeing with. And with normal bbl lengths the differences are 500fps or more. Period.
 
So basically, I should get a 30-06300338308remwin7mmmag. HA,HA! Anyway, Unfortunately I am a stuborn, fussy guy when it comes to most things. Even simple things. However, I held a mint condition(yes mint) 300h&h mag this spring in my hands. No big deal but it was a pre 64 mod 70 super. Ya, it was sweet. Thats where I fell in love with the pre 64 yata yata. Thats why I said earlier in this post that I wanted something more old school. Anyway, the guy that sold it is looking for a pre 64 Mod 70 in .30-06 for me. I've got a feeling that I will be rowing the same boat that I'm in now. I'm going to get another gun that I don't want to scratch. It will probally not be mint but hopefully good to very good as I gave him a price range. I have a sickness. I will post if my buddy ever finds one for me.

Steve
 
sharp shooter said:
My hunting partners aren't making fun of the 06, they are making fun of ME for taping up my stock like a baby so I don't scratch it. Right now I'm loading 165grainer Hornady Interbonds with varget. I would like my pattern to tighten up a bit but I think it is just due to the extremely hot weather here in southern Ontario and the fact that the barrel heats up quickly. I'm gonna go shooting when I get back from work in a few weeks and see if the groups tighten up at all in cooler weather. Anybody else have any favorite loads to try for this gun.
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Hornady 165gr SST with 55gr of H414. VERY accurate
 
My vote would be for 35 Whelen (Long live the King of 35 cal) :stirthepot2:
If you reload, the brass is easily reformed from 30-06 as well as you can buy new Remington brass. It will shoot a 200gr pill as fast as a 30-06 shoots a 180 and you can go up to 250gr (bigger if you get a Ruger with faster rifling) Remington offers a CDL and a 750 semi auto, Ruger makes a wood/blued and a stainless/synthetic model. Prophet River Firearms will get you the best price on any of these rifles. Ruger doesn't list the 35Whelen on their website but Clay can get you one.:cheers:
 
I handled a X-bolt stainless sythetic in 30-06 the other day.
Nice gun, great caliber.
The mag takes a bit to get used too (looks) but seems to work good.
What can't it do?
 
What can't it do?

You could say that about alot of guns. There are a lot of sweet new guns coming out. When I was young and started shooting, I shot Auto 5's, old browning bolts, etc. I was raised shooting old classics and now I'd rather shoot the oldies. All my guns but one are older than I am.
 
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