Help me pick! Kel-Tec Sub2000 vs. EMF JR Carbine vs. Thureon Defense

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Hi everyone,

With my PAL in the mail, I will be looking at getting a 9mm (non-restricted) pistol calibre carbine as my fun/plinking/cheap to shoot/indoor range/tacti-cool gun. I like that all three take popular and cheap glock mags. :ar15:

I've seen some reviews about the JR carbine and the Kel-Tec, but nothing so far about the Thureon Defense. One advantage I see to the JR and the Thureon are that they come with rails, whereas the S2000 would have to be a (relatively) expense add-on. That being said, the S2000 is significantly cheaper than the other two.

My questions for those who have handled (or better yet owned) any of the three, I'd like to get your input on the reliability, accuracy, mod-ability and overall desirability of each. Any input is appreciated, mucho gracias.
 
The JR rail is not that long. I wish they would make it longer so it would look more proportional.

Dunno about the Thureon, thought I read somewhere they either can't be had up here, or aren't here yet.

Happy shopping!
 
At $950 for the Thureon, I think I'd be looking into the JR first. The SUB 2000 can be picked up used for quite cheap. I've seen a few of them pass from person to person at the local range over the past few months.
 
The sub 2000 is not much gun for the price, but is useful for being compact and non restricted + 10rd mags in a "rifle"
 
Go handle both!

They are not really on the same playing field. Remeber the Keltec is meant to be a $300 cheap plinker. Thats what it sells for in the US and thats what it is worth!

The keltec feels like a water pistol, and you could break it with your bare hands. I have handled plenty of airsoft guns with better build quality!

The JR carbine is well built, and looks 10 times better. No comparison for me, and I'd be going home with the JR.
 
Thanks for the advice all! I know Lanz shooting lists the Thureon on their site, but as someone has already mentioned, it is pig fugly.

I was leaning towards the JR carbine, but have read some horror stories regarding FTE issues. I suppose these bugs are to be expected given that it's a new and unproven design. Does anyone have any recent shooting experience with the JR?
 
My JR, work in progress:

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I like the way the full length SIR balances out the barrel length. Still waiting on the combo wrench from the manufacturer to take off the stock barrel nut so it can be mounted properly.

I'm not a "barrel shroud" kind of guy.
 
AK said:
My JR, work in progress:

I like the way the full length SIR balances out the barrel length. Still waiting on the combo wrench from the manufacturer to take off the stock barrel nut so it can be mounted properly.

I'm not a "barrel shroud" kind of guy.
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Looking pretty darn good!!

GC
 
AK said:
I'm not a "barrel shroud" kind of guy.
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Why not??!!!

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OP. I've got my heart set on a sub-2000 because some guy on CGN claims that the sig version will also accept CZ mags. That means when i shoot a 3gun match I can use the same mags for my pistol and rifle and that is a huge advanage in my eyes. In the end if it's not a good 3gun gun? oh well It'll be a beater gun to keep in the truck.
 
Go JR.... The build quality iis great, and after a few initial hiccups mine smoothed right out. It is a fairly dirty gun, but is ambidextrous, and pretty easy to break down for cleaning! Only reason I moved it was it didnt fit into my rotation, but it was a hell of a lot of fun!!
 
I love my storm in .40cal, but I will likely get a sub 2000 as well, because it can be carried discreetly and in a small pack.
 
I had the opportunity to handle the Sub2000 earlier this month.

It felt very cheaply made and didn't cycle well. I agree that it truly is a cheap plinker, and is overpriced in the Canadian market.

To the OP, I know you want a non-restricted, but if its just going to be a range toy, the HiPoint 995 can be found used cheap and is much sturdier (but restricted).
 
My vote would be get the ISSC MK22 SCAR .22LR because it would be a blast as a plinker, and really, .22 vs 9mm, much cheaper to feed, you can teach other people to shoot with it and it looks really awesome!

Then buy a norinco m305/m14 used that shoots great and now you have a .308 That can engage targets way out there and have a real rifle to join the big boys with. Together you can get those for around $1000 and now your not stuck with a 9mm that still costs money to shoot, Has limited range and is not really that great for home defense.

Just my thought outside the box
 
If you don't care about the folding/compact option the Sub 2000 offers then like most people here have said the JR is head and shoulders above in quality. I weighed this decision out a while back and bought the JR Carbine. Don't regret it. Fun little rifle that I can even hunt coyote/rabbit with. :)
 
I have a sub2k, close to 2000 rounds fired, no ftf or fte.

Downside is price of gun and accessories, add a quad rail and your looking at $800+
 
Buzzballer said:
My vote would be get the ISSC MK22 SCAR .22LR because it would be a blast as a plinker, and really, .22 vs 9mm, much cheaper to feed, you can teach other people to shoot with it and it looks really awesome!

Then buy a norinco m305/m14 used that shoots great and now you have a .308 That can engage targets way out there and have a real rifle to join the big boys with. Together you can get those for around $1000 and now your not stuck with a 9mm that still costs money to shoot, Has limited range and is not really that great for home defense.

Just my thought outside the box
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I've considered getting a .22lr "tactical" (seems like an oxymoron) just to mess around with, but I'm concerned that I will get bored with it quickly.

The Mossberg 22 tactical, ISSCMK22 and the Remington 597VTR are great looking guns, and I like the idea of cheap ammo. I've never shot a .22lr but I just can't get past the fact that every video I've seen with a .22lr seems to have some sort of FTF or FTE or misfire in it.

I've also thrown around the idea of getting an SKS and a mountain of ammo for the same cost, but the notion of having to windex my gun every 5 minutes or live in fear that it will rust and disintegrate somewhat rubs me the wrong way.

The only reason I'm prospecting the 9mm carbine is I've had a chance to shoot a Beretta Cx4 storm and a glock carbine conversion, and I had a lot of fun with both, and seemed to be reliable (I only put about 50 rounds through each). 9mm ammo seems to be reasonably cheap as well.

I am open to any other ideas though, glad to hear everyones feedback so far :)
 
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