Help with an Enfield

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I just recently bought a Lee Enfield #1, MKIII. It looks like it might have seen some better days, but all in all it's in good shape. The guy was offering 40 rounds, the clip and the rifle for $100. Couldn't turn it down. This is my first long barrel and I was hoping the Gun Nutz could tell me something about it. Value? Good deal? some history? Stuff like that. Awesome gun to shoot. Damn near blew me off my stool on the first shot. :D
 
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You have a late-World War One LONDON SMALL ARMS Short Magazine Lee-Enfield rifle, Mark III*.

Rather an interesting story about London Small Arms: the factory that never was!

Suffice to say that they made only FIVE PERCENT of the rifles built during World War One and NONE in WW2..... but they did build them VERY well.

Yours is restorable and should be restored. There are very few UNcut LSAs still around and this will make up a good example of a late-War rifle.

Congratulations, friend!

You have a prize!
 
For accuracy make sure the King screw (the big screw in front of the magazine) is really really tight
 
"...Couldn't turn it down..." Certainly not for $100. Especially with a matching bolt. Not many sporterized No. 1's have a matching bolt. Whoever 'sporterized' that one took the time to do the end of the forestock right too.
What's the barrel look like?
"...the clip..." Magazine. An extra mag will run you $30 - $40. Has to have 2 locking lugs on the back too. No. 4 Lee-Enfield mags are not interchangeable.
Check the headspace before you shoot it again. The S/N on the bolt handle matching the S/N on the receiver is a good thing, but it doesn't guarantee the bolt head hasn't been changed at some time in the last 93 years.
Slug the barrel too. Hammer a cast .30 cal bullet or suitably sized lead fishing sinker through the barrel and measure it with a micrometer. Lee-Enfield barrels can measure from .311" to .315" and still be considered ok. Over .315" the barrel is shot out.
"...Damn near blew me off my stool..." Narrow butt plate and a relatively light rifle with a fairly stout recoiling cartridge. Get a slip on recoil pad. Pachmayr makes one that sells for about $20.
All those stamps on the barrel(2.222, BNP, etc) are Brit proof marks required on any milsurp rifle sold through England.
 
Not a silly question at all.

Finding all the required parts is half the fun. Then restoring the parts and fitting them is also fun. The best, though, is shooting with it afterwards. Looks like this (I'm the left-handed dude in the foreground):
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I've refurbed a few and I'm not getting tired of it. But finding parts is a little more difficult than a few years ago.
 
just about the same as I did today with the refurb you did for me , Lou. Fun was had by all as a couple of youngsters had a go with it. All these old warhorses are worth saving for the next generation. ,T&D or not.
 
Once the old girl is restored, she will be a couple of pounds heavier.

Recoil will be cut by nearly a third.

As to ammo, the original military load had a 174-grain bullet at 2440 ft/sec and it DID have some authority at the buttplate. Modern hunting 180s are worse, though.

I load my own shells, generally use a 150-grain bullet and slow it down a little bit; not bad at all.

For REALLY cheap practice ammo, I cast bullets out of wheelweights and shoot them with a light charge of pistol/shotgun powder: hardly any kick at all and only cost about 10 cents a shot to load!

Whatever you do, be sure to have fun! These old things are a riot!
 
Hi Lou...recocking that bolt from the left shoulder is a pain eh, I can relate :) I have never tried shooting the SMLE freehand like you're doing, but on the bench, I usually leave the barrel on the rest and recock with my right hand.

SMELLIE, I'm interested in your ultra-cheap practice ammo. Any specifics you'd care to share?
 
As for 'El Cheapo AmmoMart' loads, I am finding that a decent charge of Unique (16 or so grains, up to about 18) with a cast-wheelweight (fluxed, of course) 160-grain bullet from the LEE mould works okay. Lee calls this a C311-160-2R bullet. In the mould I got, they usually come out about .311 or a tad over, barely enough even to see on the micrometer. I seat a regular Hornady .30-cal gas check, using the $18 Lee gascheck-seater/sizing die. Kick them on the back end and they should expand to fill the rifling.

This is a bullet that was designed for the SKS, but it's too good to keep in the little critter, so I have tried it out in a scoped Number 4 and the results aren't too bad. I use the Lee Liquid Alox bullet lube that comes with the sizer kit; it's about $4 for another bottle and you get a lot of slugs out of it. My main cost is the gas-check, and they are only about $35 a thousand. So you can call it 3 cents for a primer, 4 cents for a slug, a penny for lube if you really slop it around and you get 400 shots from a pound of Unique, so that's maybe 8 cents for powder: 15 cents a shot, plus your labour, the good part being that it's something to do when the temp is down to 40 below, the wind is howling, the house is shaking and you REALLY don't feel like dancing nekkid in the snowbanks.

It is reasonably accurate (under 2 inches at 100), doesn't make a lot of noise at all and it has just enough at the buttplate that you know you fired something real. If I had a lovely, intelligent 9-year-old daughter who liked to come to the range with me, I think this is what I would start her on, along with some soup-tins. She will HAVE the experience of firing a 'real war gun' AND she won't get hurt, even if the rifle doesn't fit her (as it won't, of course, for a few more years).

Hope this helps a bit.

Have fun!
 
Excellent info smellie! And yes, this would definitely give that little girl of mine some "battle rifle" experience! She's complaining that the 22 savage has "no kick" :) and wants to try my full-blooded 303 rounds, to which I don't agree of course. I'll have to explore this option further now...
 
Mike, you can also load up 'Super El Cheapo AmmoMart' loadings using that same 160-grain bullet (mould is $30, Lee of course) but WITHOUT the gas-check. Accuracy will not be as good and you would have to use a bit less powder so the bases don't melt. Turn them out 10 for a dollar.

I tried a few and really wasn't all that satisfied, but I had a little box of gas-checks lying around, so they saved the day. Going along at this rate, I should need another box of gas-checks about the year 2744: just in time for the rifle's 800th birthday!

UNIQUE really is unique. You don't have to have a wad with any of these, the stuff just takes light so easily and so very uniformly. You CAN, if you like, make up a series of test loads, starting about 16 grains and then going up, a quarter or half a grain at a time, watching the groups as you do so. At SOME point or other, if you do your part, your groups should tighten up better than with the other loads. This is the load that you adopt as your new standard and start working right around that load to fine-tune things for the best shooting. It can be fun.

There are other powders that you can do up very light loads with, also. Most of the various shotgun powders are suited to this sort of thing. I prefer playing with Unique because it is so versatile and doesn't seem to need a wad, ever. I know guys who have shot Blue Dot in their rifles (for light loads only, of course) but they say that you have to wad it to get a complete burn.

If you have only Blue Dot or Red Dot or something like that, likely you will want a wad of some kind, Best thing to use is just those silly supermarket "cotton balls" that they sell in the wimmin's department for slopping on the make-up. Last ones I got were a couple of bucks for 300 of them. Being that I already had a pair of scissors, that gave me 600 wads for 2 bucks. Cotton or Rayon are the materials for this, as both will consume completely when you fire. Petroleum-based Synthetics tend to melt, which will not likely wreck your barrel but it sure won't do anything for accuracy. You just dump in the powder, pop in a wad and ram it lightly into position with a pencil: works well and you can do a whole loading-block of shells in a few minutes.

The generally-recommended powder for making up light loads is SR-4759, which is an IMR Company powder. This is an SR powder: Sporting Rifle, and it is the last holdover from the age of the Bulk powders, although it is not really a Bulk powder itself, but it really isn't all that far from one, either. Bulk powders could be loaded bulk-for-bulk with Black (although the WEIGHTS of the charges would differ) and were popular in the early days of smokeless powder. You can do just about anything with SR-4759 and it is the recommended Black-powder substitute at a load level of 38%-of-Black-by Weight. If you have a .50-100 Winchester, you can load your shells with 100 grains of Black OR with 38 grains of SR-4759 and get the same performance at the same pressure levels. The manufacturers have de-listed SR-4759 three times that I know of since I started handloading, but they always have to bring it back because it is just so darned USEFUL. Last summer was my best friend's last year at the rifle range. His heart was giving lots of troubles and he was having a lot of trouble breathing, so nothing ferociously-nasty could be used with any safety for him. We spent the summer shooting his pre-'64 Winchester Model 70 in .300 Weatherby Magnum... but with the thing loaded down with a 150-grain Hornady and a light charge of SR-4759. He had a 20-power scope on it and made some satisfactorily-tiny groups and the ammo actually was producing about the same horsepower as a LIGHT .30-30 load. There are loads for this powder as a special reduced-charge powder, in a couple of the latest loading books.

Whatever you do, be sure you have fun!
 
Wow! 16 Grains. Who knew!! That's half the 38 that I am using with my Varget. Definitely something I will be exploring...for plinking loads.
 
"...Couldn't turn it down..." Certainly not for $100. Especially with a matching bolt. Not many sporterized No. 1's have a matching bolt. Whoever 'sporterized' that one took the time to do the end of the forestock right too.
What's the barrel look like?
"...the clip..." Magazine. An extra mag will run you $30 - $40. Has to have 2 locking lugs on the back too. No. 4 Lee-Enfield mags are not interchangeable.
Check the headspace before you shoot it again. The S/N on the bolt handle matching the S/N on the receiver is a good thing, but it doesn't guarantee the bolt head hasn't been changed at some time in the last 93 years.
Slug the barrel too. Hammer a cast .30 cal bullet or suitably sized lead fishing sinker through the barrel and measure it with a micrometer. Lee-Enfield barrels can measure from .311" to .315" and still be considered ok. Over .315" the barrel is shot out.
"...Damn near blew me off my stool..." Narrow butt plate and a relatively light rifle with a fairly stout recoiling cartridge. Get a slip on recoil pad. Pachmayr makes one that sells for about $20.
All those stamps on the barrel(2.222, BNP, etc) are Brit proof marks required on any milsurp rifle sold through England.

The rifle was sporterized in England because it is marked England ander the safety,they did that with all the Enfield sporters.In my opinion nobody built a better LE sporter than the British.
 
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