HERA H6 Rifle .223 Rem 18" Non-Restricted

We had a chance to check out the revised Hera Arms H6 Bolt Action Rifle at SHOT Show last week.

The improvements are well thought out especially for getting rid of the safety inside the trigger guard, factory trigger is fantastic, not super light yet very crisp with a clean break.

These are currently in production as we speak and we are expecting them to arrive in April/May, months before the Americans get them.

Hera Arms CEO insisted that they won't ship these to us until they're perfect - typical of zee German perfection!

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In my opinion, everything said , good or bad, about these is moot, if it doesn't shoot well.

I'm thinking if you can't sling this up so that either the bolt, or mag isn't sticking into your back when on your shoulders, it would be a poor choice for a hunting rifle. If it is a poor choice for that, but a good one for a fixed position, or range gun, then the folding stock is an extra cost that is pointless for these situations.

Just look at the track record for the BCL Bison type products that had this type of bolt gun market cornered, but fell flat on their faces, because they put absolutely crap barrels on them!!! I had one, in 223, and with the ammo that I had a ton of stocked up, it shot 5+ inch groups at 50 yards with the 16" barrel!!! Not only that, it was so freaking loud with that sideways muzzle break, it was rude to fire, even with good hearing pro on... It was gone after that shooting session at my camp.

Just my thoughts... Nothing matters, if it doesn't shoot really well! I think it's a pretty cool looking gun, so far.

Range reports are needed before I buy anything like this ever again!
 
We live in a day when most budget-level bolt rifles will shoot MOA or darn close to it when their favourite loads (factory or handrolled) can be found.

At the same time, people drop 3 grand or more on toys like Tavors, and then when their new pride and joy produces 3MOA accuracy they bristle "Well, it's a battle rifle! It was never designed to shoot accurately! It's meant to withstand the worst abuse possible and keep functioning!" Of course, they shoot the thing at a range, the only abuse it will ever see is excessive wear from improper cleaning, and it is hustled back into the case if it starts to rain.

Hera is not generally known for producing crap. It seems reasonable to expect that this new brainchild of theirs will shoot accurately, but of course we won't know until we try it. I expect it will not disappoint.

The concerns over ergonomics...how to carry the thing slung, how to hold it, etc...are tougher to foretell. Hera's videos show brief glimpses of guys carrying the gun slung with the stock in both open and closed positions. When the stock is open, it does indeed look like the magwell, with or without a mag inserted, is digging uncomfortably into the back. I'm wondering if one of the reasons for the folding stock is that it might make slung carry more comfortable? The stock folds to the left, and its thickness looks as though it is going to pretty much match the projection of the magwell? I don't see myself using long mags very often, certainly not while actually hunting; combine that with the apparently quick and easy folding/unfolding of the stock makes me think that I might carry the thing slung and folded, opening the stock as I unsling the rifle? Just guessing here.

If I'm carrying the gun in my hand(s), I don't think there's a problem. Single handed carry is illustrated in the video at one point; the guy has the gun in his right hand, rotated about 45 degrees counterclockwise, with his hand wrapped around the receiver/scope area. Coupled with the very light weight, this looks like it could be practical...but, again, guessing.

Two handed carry, at the low ready position, seems like it would be simple. I've been paying attention to the position and orientation of most guns I have shot lately, trying to envision them with a mag sticking out the left side. I think the Hera guy in the video is correct when he points out the most people aren't going to carry a rifle in that manner with the gun's left side flat against their chest; it is more natural to have it pointed very slightly forward, which makes the left-side mag a non-issue.

Probably my biggest question about ergos is one that I haven't seen mentioned yet. That goofy little cheekpiece seems not to have any adjustability at all. Depending upon choice of sights/optics, I can see perhaps removing it altogether. Maybe they will offer optional cheekpieces of varying heights?

It's a new gun, with new ergonomic quirks that will need to be experienced before they can be judged. It seems like a lot of people are just grasping at straws trying to "prove" they won't like it before they ever see or touch one. How about this: if you don't like the idea, don't buy it. If it intrigues you, buy it and try it, keep it if you like it, sell it if you don't. You know...just like every gun you've ever owned.

Stooping to name-calling and insults in a thread like this baffles me. I'm not sure if the people who insist upon that are doing it because others are willing to try new things...or because they themselves are too chicken-s**t to do so.
 
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I am glad people are hating on it, better chance I will be able to get one when it arrives. I think it looks dope lol but I like innovation.
 
I really like it. I enjoy firearms that are unique. It puts another option in the cz600 trail, blackcreek labs bison and the Ruger ranch lineup.
 
Mtl514 said:
I really like it. I enjoy firearms that are unique. It puts another option in the cz600 trail, blackcreek labs bison and the Ruger ranch lineup.
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Totally.. Ranch has shorter barrel than I like and has a muzzle blast like a cannon, also stock feels cheap
Trail is nice and light, but mag picky, bolt is weird and stock wiggles too much for my liking
Bison I havn’t tried, looks great besides legendary Canadian consumer grade firearms reliability

This one is pricier than all those though, only downside so far. (Will update on side loading magwell aha if it interferes with on the back sling carry)
 
Fudds hate on it because it's not wood and they wouldn't know how to sell it at their local dusty "gun show" lol.

It's an awesome looking rifle and I'd love to own one, hope they get here sooner rather than later.
 
jjohnwm said:
We live in a day when most budget-level bolt rifles will shoot MOA or darn close to it when their favourite loads (factory or handrolled) can be found.

At the same time, people drop 3 grand or more on toys like Tavors, and then when their new pride and joy produces 3MOA accuracy they bristle "Well, it's a battle rifle! It was never designed to shoot accurately! It's meant to withstand the worst abuse possible and keep functioning!" Of course, they shoot the thing at a range, the only abuse it will ever see is excessive wear from improper cleaning, and it is hustled back into the case if it starts to rain.

Hera is not generally known for producing crap. It seems reasonable to expect that this new brainchild of theirs will shoot accurately, but of course we won't know until we try it. I expect it will not disappoint.

The concerns over ergonomics...how to carry the thing slung, how to hold it, etc...are tougher to foretell. Hera's videos show brief glimpses of guys carrying the gun slung with the stock in both open and closed positions. When the stock is open, it does indeed look like the magwell, with or without a mag inserted, is digging uncomfortably into the back. I'm wondering if one of the reasons for the folding stock is that it might make slung carry more comfortable? The stock folds to the left, and its thickness looks as though it is going to pretty much match the projection of the magwell? I don't see myself using long mags very often, certainly not while actually hunting; combine that with the apparently quick and easy folding/unfolding of the stock makes me think that I might carry the thing slung and folded, opening the stock as I unsling the rifle? Just guessing here.

If I'm carrying the gun in my hand(s), I don't think there's a problem. Single handed carry is illustrated in the video at one point; the guy has the gun in his right hand, rotated about 45 degrees counterclockwise, with his hand wrapped around the receiver/scope area. Coupled with the very light weight, this looks like it could be practical...but, again, guessing.

Two handed carry, at the low ready position, seems like it would be simple. I've been paying attention to the position and orientation of most guns I have shot lately, trying to envision them with a mag sticking out the left side. I think the Hera guy in the video is correct when he points out the most people aren't going to carry a rifle in that manner with the gun's left side flat against their chest; it is more natural to have it pointed very slightly forward, which makes the left-side mag a non-issue.

Probably my biggest question about ergos is one that I haven't seen mentioned yet. That goofy little cheekpiece seems not to have any adjustability at all. Depending upon choice of sights/optics, I can see perhaps removing it altogether. Maybe they will offer optional cheekpieces of varying heights?

It's a new gun, with new ergonomic quirks that will need to be experienced before they can be judged. It seems like a lot of people are just grasping at straws trying to "prove" they won't like it before they ever see or touch one. How about this: if you don't like the idea, don't buy it. If it intrigues you, buy it and try it, keep it if you like it, sell it if you don't. You know...just like every gun you've ever owned.

Stooping to name-calling and insults in a thread like this baffles me. I'm not sure if the people who insist upon that are doing it because others are willing to try new things...or because they themselves are too chicken-s**t to do so.
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You’ve crapped on semi autos multi times in your posts…

Most people cannot shoot that great when it’s not off a bench, with rests and hand loads at a known distance lol

X95s are shot all over Canada, they cannot be kept in stock BECAUSE they are NR and can be shot anywhere, and people do just that :)

Counting myself and my immediate friend group, we have 12 X95s and a few NR Bren 2s and some B&Ts…these are shot all over, all year round in the bush and farm fields…rain or shine. 3 MOA still allows one to connect on IPSD torso steel at 400M using bulk/“surplus” ammo. Lots of fun!
 
hannibal.black98 said:
You’ve crapped on semi autos multi times in your posts…

Most people cannot shoot that great when it’s not off a bench, with rests and hand loads at a known distance lol

X95s are shot all over Canada, they cannot be kept in stock BECAUSE they are NR and can be shot anywhere, and people do just that :)

Counting myself and my immediate friend group, we have 12 X95s and a few NR Bren 2s and some B&Ts…these are shot all over, all year round in the bush and farm fields…rain or shine. 3 MOA still allows one to connect on IPSD torso steel at 400M using bulk/“surplus” ammo. Lots of fun!
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I've likely crapped on them a bit as hunting rifles; I like "slower-shooters" for hunting mainly because they tend to show better accuracy more easily, and the methodical one-shot-one-kill approach appeals to me. For coyote shooting, I love semis; I used an RFB almost exclusively as my coyote rifle a few years back, and over the years I have taken a bunch of dogs with Mini14's, Swiss Arms and, back in the day, AR's. There's nothing better than a good-shooting semi for dogs.

But when a new bolt gun comes out, and it's different and apparently scary to some folks, they react by ridiculing those of us who express an interest in it and start name-calling, usually concentrating on the F-bomb. For example:

FEDGE2.0 said:
Fudds hate on it because it's not wood and they wouldn't know how to sell it at their local dusty "gun show" lol...It's an awesome looking rifle and I'd love to own one, hope they get here sooner rather than later.
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This stuff gets old fast. I guarantee that this ^ guy would call me a Fudd if we met...but I am looking forward to this gun...gee, I wonder what he would say if he heard that?

I don't have a Tavor, mainly because I tend to buy new semis, shoot them, enjoy them...but if the accuracy doesn't match up with the cartridges, the ranges and the targets in question, then the novelty fades and the gun goes down the road. The .223/5.56 semis listed above simply shot better for me than the couple of Tavors I've monkeyed with.

I've taken deer with an RFB, a Norc M14S, an HK91 and probably others I've forgotten. Each time it was just to try something different. In every case, once was enough. Semis for game beyond varmints just don't do it for me...but for fun shooting, I love 'em.

The way you use your Tavor does sound like fun, and you obviously use it rather than just baby it and keep it in your safe. Bravo! I guess I was just lucky enough to get bored with Tavors by playing with ones owned by friends, rather than having to buy one myself. That lets me concentrate on my leverguns and muzzleloaders...but I still want this Hera! :)
 
jjohnwm said:
I've likely crapped on them a bit as hunting rifles; I like "slower-shooters" for hunting mainly because they tend to show better accuracy more easily, and the methodical one-shot-one-kill approach appeals to me. For coyote shooting, I love semis; I used an RFB almost exclusively as my coyote rifle a few years back, and over the years I have taken a bunch of dogs with Mini14's, Swiss Arms and, back in the day, AR's. There's nothing better than a good-shooting semi for dogs.

But when a new bolt gun comes out, and it's different and apparently scary to some folks, they react by ridiculing those of us who express an interest in it and start name-calling, usually concentrating on the F-bomb. For example:



This stuff gets old fast. I guarantee that this ^ guy would call me a Fudd if we met...but I am looking forward to this gun...gee, I wonder what he would say if he heard that?

I don't have a Tavor, mainly because I tend to buy new semis, shoot them, enjoy them...but if the accuracy doesn't match up with the cartridges, the ranges and the targets in question, then the novelty fades and the gun goes down the road. The .223/5.56 semis listed above simply shot better for me than the couple of Tavors I've monkeyed with.

I've taken deer with an RFB, a Norc M14S, an HK91 and probably others I've forgotten. Each time it was just to try something different. In every case, once was enough. Semis for game beyond varmints just don't do it for me...but for fun shooting, I love 'em.

The way you use your Tavor does sound like fun, and you obviously use it rather than just baby it and keep it in your safe. Bravo! I guess I was just lucky enough to get bored with Tavors by playing with ones owned by friends, rather than having to buy one myself. That lets me concentrate on my leverguns and muzzleloaders...but I still want this Hera! :)
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What are you on about? I wasn't even talking to you or about you lol.
 
FEDGE2.0 said:
What are you on about? I wasn't even talking to you or about you lol.
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I would hope you weren't, considering that my comment earlier was simply asking for updates on an interesting rifle. We actually had a thread where people weren't actually fighting...not too much, anyway...and the main bone of contention was whether or not this new rifle was worth buying. Some like it...some don't...it's ugly, it's not ugly...blah, blah, blah...but at least, for once, nobody had to throw in some divisive BS like this...

FEDGE2.0 said:
Fudds hate on it because it's not wood and they wouldn't know how to sell it at their local dusty "gun show" lol.
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...until you came along and did. Comments like that never help things go smoothly, and that's what my observation was concerning. Not aimed at you in particular, but at the argumentative types that just have to jump in and be the first to poke somebody in the eye. Coincidentally...this time it was you.
 
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