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Hey .50 cal. people...
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With close to a 5.5 second flight time......Rob's shot might be a hard one to duplicate ever again regardless of equipment. So much can happen to that bullet when it has to travel though the air for 6 seconds. If that target so much as moves a few inches in any direction it's a miss. Personally I don't think that distance record will be broken anytime soon. Kudo's to
If I remember correctly Robs feat has been surpassed by an American sniper.
I can not confirm this with details but recall reading something about it a couple of years after the Furlong shot became public knowledge.
Long Range Canuck
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I think this may be the one your thinking of Rick, but it was the longest kill shot in Iraq. Still didn't even come close to touching Robs shot, but there could be one I havent heard of yet.
If it was beat I bet it was by a Canadian.
AR RAMADI, Iraq (Jan. 02, 2005) -- Seen through a twenty-power spot scope, terrorists scrambled to deliver another mortar round into the tube. Across the Euphrates River from a concealed rooftop, the Marine sniper breathed gently and then squeezed a few pounds of pressure to the delicate trigger of the M40A3 sniper rifle in his grasp.
The rifle's crack froze the booming Fallujah battle like a photograph. As he moved the bolt back to load another round of 7.62mm ammunition, the sniper's spotter confirmed the terrorist went down from the shot mere seconds before the next crack of the rifle dropped another.
It wasn't the sniper's first kill in Iraq, but it was one for the history books.
On Nov. 11, 2004, while coalition forces fought to wrest control of Fallujah from a terrorist insurgency, Marine scout snipers with Company B, 1st Battalion, 23rd Marine Regiment, 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit, applied their basic infantry skills and took them to a higher level.
"From the information we have, our chief scout sniper has the longest confirmed kill in Iraq so far," said Capt. Shayne McGinty, weapons platoon commander for "Bravo" Co. "In Fallujah there were some bad guys firing mortars at us and he took them out from more than 1,000 yards."
During the battle for the war-torn city, 1/23 Marine scout snipers demonstrated with patience, fearless initiative and wits that well-trained Marines could be some of the deadliest weapons in the world.
"You really don't have a threat here until it presents itself," said Sgt. Herbert B. Hancock, chief scout sniper, 1/23, and a 35-year-old police officer from Bryan, Texas, whose specialized training and skill helped save the lives of his fellow Marines during the battle. "In Fallujah we really didn't have that problem because it seemed like everybody was shooting at us. If they fired at us we just dropped them."
Stepping off on day one of the offensive from the northern edge of the Fallujah peninsula, the Marine reservists of 1/23, with their scout snipers, moved to secure a little island, but intense enemy fire near the bridgeheads limited their advance. Insurgents littered the city, filtering in behind their positions with indirect mortar and sniper fire.
"The insurgents started figuring out what was going on and started hitting us from behind, hitting our supply lines," said Hancock in his syrupy Texas drawl. "Originally we set up near a bridge and the next day we got a call on our radio that our company command post was receiving sniper fire. We worked our way back down the peninsula trying to find the sniper, but on the way down we encountered machinegun fire and what sounded like grenade launchers or mortars from across the river."
With a fire team of grunts pinned down nearby, Hancock and his spotter, Cpl. Geoffrey L. Flowers, a May 2004 graduate of Scout Sniper School, helped them out by locating the source of the enemy fire.
"After locating the gun position we called in indirect fire to immediate suppress that position and reduced it enough so we could also punch forward and get into a house," explained Hancock. "We got in the house and started to observe the area from which the insurgents were firing at us. They hit us good for about twenty minutes and were really hammering us. Our indirect fire (landed on) them and must have been effective because they didn't shoot anymore after that."
Continuing south down the peninsula to link up with the Bravo Co. command post, Hancock and Flowers next set up on a big building, taking a couple shots across the river at some suspected enemy spotters in vehicles.
"The insurgents in the vehicles were spotting for the mortar rounds coming from across the river so we were trying to locate their positions to reduce them as well as engage the vehicles," said Hancock. "There were certain vehicles in areas where the mortars would hit. They would show up and then stop and then the mortars would start hitting us and then the vehicles would leave so we figured out that they were spotters. We took out seven of those guys in one day."
Later, back at the company command post, enemy mortar rounds once again began to impact.
"There were several incoming rockets and mortars to our compound that day and there was no way the enemy could have seen it directly, so they probably had some spotters out there," said 22-year-old Flowers who is a college student from Pearland, Texas.
" Our (company commander) told us to go find where the mortars were coming from and take them out so we went back out," remembered Hancock. "We moved south some more and linked up with the rear elements of our first platoon. Then we got up on a building and scanned across the river. We looked out of the spot scope and saw about three to five insurgents manning a 120mm mortar tube. We got the coordinates for their position and set up a fire mission. We decided that when the rounds came in that I would engage them with the sniper rifle. We got the splash and there were two standing up looking right at us. One had a black (outfit) on. I shot and he dropped. Right in front of him another got up on his knees looking to try and find out where we were so I dropped him too. After that our mortars just hammered the position, so we moved around in on them."
The subsequent fire for effect landed right on the insurgent mortar position.
"We adjusted right about fifty yards where there were two other insurgents in a small house on the other side of the position," said Flowers. "There was some brush between them and the next nearest building about 400 yards south of where they were at and we were about 1,000 yards from them so I guess they thought we could not spot them. Some grunts were nearby with binoculars but they could not see them, plus they are not trained in detailed observation the way we are. We know what to look for such as target indicators and things that are not easy to see."
Hancock and Flowers then scanned several areas that they expected fire from, but the enemy mortars had silenced.
"After we had called in indirect fire and after all the adjustments from our mortars, I got the final 8-digit grid coordinates for the enemy mortar position, looked at our own position using GPS and figured out the distance to the targets we dropped to be 1,050 yards," said Flowers with a grin. "This time we were killing terrorism from more than 1,000 yards."
If it was beat I bet it was by a Canadian.
AR RAMADI, Iraq (Jan. 02, 2005) -- Seen through a twenty-power spot scope, terrorists scrambled to deliver another mortar round into the tube. Across the Euphrates River from a concealed rooftop, the Marine sniper breathed gently and then squeezed a few pounds of pressure to the delicate trigger of the M40A3 sniper rifle in his grasp.
The rifle's crack froze the booming Fallujah battle like a photograph. As he moved the bolt back to load another round of 7.62mm ammunition, the sniper's spotter confirmed the terrorist went down from the shot mere seconds before the next crack of the rifle dropped another.
It wasn't the sniper's first kill in Iraq, but it was one for the history books.
On Nov. 11, 2004, while coalition forces fought to wrest control of Fallujah from a terrorist insurgency, Marine scout snipers with Company B, 1st Battalion, 23rd Marine Regiment, 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit, applied their basic infantry skills and took them to a higher level.
"From the information we have, our chief scout sniper has the longest confirmed kill in Iraq so far," said Capt. Shayne McGinty, weapons platoon commander for "Bravo" Co. "In Fallujah there were some bad guys firing mortars at us and he took them out from more than 1,000 yards."
During the battle for the war-torn city, 1/23 Marine scout snipers demonstrated with patience, fearless initiative and wits that well-trained Marines could be some of the deadliest weapons in the world.
"You really don't have a threat here until it presents itself," said Sgt. Herbert B. Hancock, chief scout sniper, 1/23, and a 35-year-old police officer from Bryan, Texas, whose specialized training and skill helped save the lives of his fellow Marines during the battle. "In Fallujah we really didn't have that problem because it seemed like everybody was shooting at us. If they fired at us we just dropped them."
Stepping off on day one of the offensive from the northern edge of the Fallujah peninsula, the Marine reservists of 1/23, with their scout snipers, moved to secure a little island, but intense enemy fire near the bridgeheads limited their advance. Insurgents littered the city, filtering in behind their positions with indirect mortar and sniper fire.
"The insurgents started figuring out what was going on and started hitting us from behind, hitting our supply lines," said Hancock in his syrupy Texas drawl. "Originally we set up near a bridge and the next day we got a call on our radio that our company command post was receiving sniper fire. We worked our way back down the peninsula trying to find the sniper, but on the way down we encountered machinegun fire and what sounded like grenade launchers or mortars from across the river."
With a fire team of grunts pinned down nearby, Hancock and his spotter, Cpl. Geoffrey L. Flowers, a May 2004 graduate of Scout Sniper School, helped them out by locating the source of the enemy fire.
"After locating the gun position we called in indirect fire to immediate suppress that position and reduced it enough so we could also punch forward and get into a house," explained Hancock. "We got in the house and started to observe the area from which the insurgents were firing at us. They hit us good for about twenty minutes and were really hammering us. Our indirect fire (landed on) them and must have been effective because they didn't shoot anymore after that."
Continuing south down the peninsula to link up with the Bravo Co. command post, Hancock and Flowers next set up on a big building, taking a couple shots across the river at some suspected enemy spotters in vehicles.
"The insurgents in the vehicles were spotting for the mortar rounds coming from across the river so we were trying to locate their positions to reduce them as well as engage the vehicles," said Hancock. "There were certain vehicles in areas where the mortars would hit. They would show up and then stop and then the mortars would start hitting us and then the vehicles would leave so we figured out that they were spotters. We took out seven of those guys in one day."
Later, back at the company command post, enemy mortar rounds once again began to impact.
"There were several incoming rockets and mortars to our compound that day and there was no way the enemy could have seen it directly, so they probably had some spotters out there," said 22-year-old Flowers who is a college student from Pearland, Texas.
" Our (company commander) told us to go find where the mortars were coming from and take them out so we went back out," remembered Hancock. "We moved south some more and linked up with the rear elements of our first platoon. Then we got up on a building and scanned across the river. We looked out of the spot scope and saw about three to five insurgents manning a 120mm mortar tube. We got the coordinates for their position and set up a fire mission. We decided that when the rounds came in that I would engage them with the sniper rifle. We got the splash and there were two standing up looking right at us. One had a black (outfit) on. I shot and he dropped. Right in front of him another got up on his knees looking to try and find out where we were so I dropped him too. After that our mortars just hammered the position, so we moved around in on them."
The subsequent fire for effect landed right on the insurgent mortar position.
"We adjusted right about fifty yards where there were two other insurgents in a small house on the other side of the position," said Flowers. "There was some brush between them and the next nearest building about 400 yards south of where they were at and we were about 1,000 yards from them so I guess they thought we could not spot them. Some grunts were nearby with binoculars but they could not see them, plus they are not trained in detailed observation the way we are. We know what to look for such as target indicators and things that are not easy to see."
Hancock and Flowers then scanned several areas that they expected fire from, but the enemy mortars had silenced.
"After we had called in indirect fire and after all the adjustments from our mortars, I got the final 8-digit grid coordinates for the enemy mortar position, looked at our own position using GPS and figured out the distance to the targets we dropped to be 1,050 yards," said Flowers with a grin. "This time we were killing terrorism from more than 1,000 yards."
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No it was definately 50 specific, and just slightly longer than Robs shot as I recall.
I don't think it got much press here, but the boys down south were sure on it.
I don't think it got much press here, but the boys down south were sure on it.
Mystic Precision
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If my memory serves me, Mr. Furlong was armed by a McMillan rifle which has a 'custom' action and match barrel. This action is used ALOT in BMG 1000yd BR rifles. This was a huge oddity as the US were/are armed with Barretts which are not designed for precision shooting- unless you consider a Soviet tank a small target.
Likely, he was using ammo made by a Euro company not some MG with the links pulled. There is little doubt his rig was MOA capable at those distances. Would RUAG brand ammo be something our forces would use?
A 'tight' chamber is not necessary for very good accuracy. Just the neck/shoulder/throat dimensions have to be sensibly shaped.
The 308 Clymer M852 reamer is a prime example of a working chamber that can shoot right there with most match and palma chambers even when things get dirty. This was figured out way back when.
Hitting a 24" object at 2500yds is most definitely possible and civi shooters are more likely to achieve that goal then anyone in the military using a long gun. Our stuff is SOOO much better.
Doing it under the duress of battle, that is a WHOLE different story. His accomplishment and skill are truly top notch.
Jerry
Likely, he was using ammo made by a Euro company not some MG with the links pulled. There is little doubt his rig was MOA capable at those distances. Would RUAG brand ammo be something our forces would use?
A 'tight' chamber is not necessary for very good accuracy. Just the neck/shoulder/throat dimensions have to be sensibly shaped.
The 308 Clymer M852 reamer is a prime example of a working chamber that can shoot right there with most match and palma chambers even when things get dirty. This was figured out way back when.
Hitting a 24" object at 2500yds is most definitely possible and civi shooters are more likely to achieve that goal then anyone in the military using a long gun. Our stuff is SOOO much better.
Doing it under the duress of battle, that is a WHOLE different story. His accomplishment and skill are truly top notch.
Jerry
As good as Mr.Furlong is, none of you are him, and he's not on CGN, so let's hear more about our CGN 50. BMG long range heavy hitters, shall we?
Thanks for all the insight re: the difference between the milspec and target rifles, btw.
Thanks for all the insight re: the difference between the milspec and target rifles, btw.
How much? And how easy is it to remove the extra "rail" part in front of the rifle or at least cover it up with a forstock or something?
Dimitri
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I am not exactly sure what you mean here. The lower rails all come with covers, like an AR quad rail handguard.
All the lower rails can be removed by removing the mounting screws.
Hope that answers the question.
Answered the second question. But the first one is how much? You know its multi thousand dollar price tag?
Dimitri
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At this time I do not make a repeater, that may change at some point but not in the near future.
Long Range Canuck
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Redman, alot of us don't talk to much about distances and target size because most of the time we do most people call bulls*it and it takes the joy out of these posts. It's kinda like arguing wether the earth is round or flat.
When I first came onto CGN I did a post about shooting my .223 savage out over 1000 yards and had BS called. It gets depressing after a bit when all your trying to do is share the sport. You should see the flack Mystic got when he was making hits at 1760 yrds with his .223.
The point being those of us that do it know, and do it for self enjoyment and share it with others doing the same thing. The majority of us are always willing to share the experiance and get others out there when they have a genuine interest.
I would highly recomend attending one of Mystics Summerland shoot's and see what we and others do first hand, and participate yourself. It may open you up to a whole new world of shooting experiances to push you to new challenges you never new were possible with the rifles you shoot. If you make it out to Alberta sometime and want to play drop me a line and I would be happy to give you a long range tour if I can arrange mutual time off.
That being said and I know im probably going to take a bashing but here it goes. My furthest shot with my .50BMG is "ruff calculated" 2525meters on a rock that would reticle size at just over .5 MOA. I had to jump range it with a laser to get the range I got so there may be a bit of error in it. I was hopeing to get to Summerland again this year to GPS and laser again to get confirmation. Just didn't work out for this year.
The .50 has the capability to go further, the problem is finding the area to be able to take it to it's full potential SAFELY. Rick has streched his out further than myself and so have others.
I recomend get out and create your own records. Thats where the pleasure is.
When I first came onto CGN I did a post about shooting my .223 savage out over 1000 yards and had BS called. It gets depressing after a bit when all your trying to do is share the sport. You should see the flack Mystic got when he was making hits at 1760 yrds with his .223.
The point being those of us that do it know, and do it for self enjoyment and share it with others doing the same thing. The majority of us are always willing to share the experiance and get others out there when they have a genuine interest.
I would highly recomend attending one of Mystics Summerland shoot's and see what we and others do first hand, and participate yourself. It may open you up to a whole new world of shooting experiances to push you to new challenges you never new were possible with the rifles you shoot. If you make it out to Alberta sometime and want to play drop me a line and I would be happy to give you a long range tour if I can arrange mutual time off.
That being said and I know im probably going to take a bashing but here it goes. My furthest shot with my .50BMG is "ruff calculated" 2525meters on a rock that would reticle size at just over .5 MOA. I had to jump range it with a laser to get the range I got so there may be a bit of error in it. I was hopeing to get to Summerland again this year to GPS and laser again to get confirmation. Just didn't work out for this year.
The .50 has the capability to go further, the problem is finding the area to be able to take it to it's full potential SAFELY. Rick has streched his out further than myself and so have others.
I recomend get out and create your own records. Thats where the pleasure is.
I could see dropping 12,500$ or so on a repeater with a USO ontop. But I don't know how my moose hunting buddies will take it after I practice with it alittle bit and they see me with it at hunt camp.
Dimitri
Dimitri
Long Range Canuck
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I could see dropping 12,500$ or so on a repeater with a USO ontop. But I don't know how my moose hunting buddies will take it after I practice with it alittle bit and they see me with it at hunt camp.
Dimitri
Hunting with a .50BMG is the cat's arse!!
Best of all with a view like this.
And full of these, mulies, coyotes and gophers!!
Just remember they are heavy buggers to carry in the bush.
Weight? I don't know the meaning of that yet. I'm only 21 and overstress myself a lot. Like your typical know it all young guy who isn't thinking about the future.
Carrying a 30 pound rifle all day long shouldn't be a problem.
Dimitri
Carrying a 30 pound rifle all day long shouldn't be a problem.
Dimitri
Canuck,
Yeah, I didn't want to make this a pissing & BS calling contest, which is why I asked for pics (which many generously provided). I saw the Summerland pics and they are awesome, but too bad I'm so far east in Quebec where public long ranges are non-existent for all intents and purposes; might by one opening this summer though near me so I'm looking forward to that.
Yeah, I didn't want to make this a pissing & BS calling contest, which is why I asked for pics (which many generously provided). I saw the Summerland pics and they are awesome, but too bad I'm so far east in Quebec where public long ranges are non-existent for all intents and purposes; might by one opening this summer though near me so I'm looking forward to that.
Long Range Canuck
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- Athabasca Alberta aka God's Country
Carrying a 30 pound rifle all day long shouldn't be a problem.
Dimitri
Rick!! we found our pack mule!
Should we invite him out on this years hunting trip?
