I know good things take time, especially with classification and all that BS....
But hasn't that project been spoken of for a while now?
HEY Bring back the AR 180B !!!!!!!!!!!
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I know good things take time, especially with classification and all that BS....
But hasn't that project been spoken of for a while now?
OH REALLY ? Can you go to your local Cabelas and pick one off the shelf ??? NO.
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Travis Bickle
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Not really.
$3K for a semi auto NR .223 Rem rifle that's still not as good as a generic AR is not the "every mans gun".
The market in Canada is saturated with very expensive decent rifles (modern hunter, TAVOR, SL8, ACR) and average to near overpriced mediocre at best ones (T97, AR180b's with no part support, XCR etc)
The other NR black rifles are fabled unicorn guns like Valmets etc that are rare and beyond the sane range of price for value for 98% of us.
The every mans gun in this class needs to fit in between these options where the largest demand is and there isn't one right now. It should be of an AR180b manufacture design bare bones, stamped sheet metal, simple as f**k, average accurate but very reliable type rifle for under $1300.
It has to be produced in Canada. The US has no reason to ever create this rifle because they can shoot an AR anywhere they damn well please. So until the solution is built IN this country, we're never going to see it. Anyone expecting a Modern Varminter type rifle or any other identical to AR15 quality rifle to be produced in Canada for less than $3K is going to be disappointed for a long time.
There has to be a trade off in quality and accuracy to a certain degree to fit between what's already available in this country.
Hell I'll take stamped sheet metal upper and another polymer lower and a 2-3 MOA gun (plenty accurate for the range of .223 Rem anyhow) if it will keep the cost under $1100. It's a hobby. I'm not taking the f**king thing into combat. I'm not fighting off hoards of undead zombies in a post apocalyptic waste land with it. I want a cheap, light, reliable .223 Rem that I can take out in the woods and explode pop cans with like 98% of the rest of gun owners in Canada.
NEA's potential AR10 will be the closest anyone has come if it comes to be (price to be determined yet anyhow). It's in .308 sadly but finally the first step in the right direction in 20+ years since AR went restricted. A made in Canada solution to fill such an obvious gap in demand it's painful.
Fingers crossed.
Submit it to the RCMP with an "expected price tag" of $3500 and then when it gets NR status have an "extended sale" at $1100....
The first successful Canadian to realize this and bring a rifle to the market will be a national hero. A filthy rich national hero. I wish I had the capital to be that guy..
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migrant hunter
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Love my SU16, but would like something sturdier that doesn't start to wander after 1 mag through it.
I'd buy a Modern Varmint, but I can't justify dropping 3 grand +/- when I'm trying to buy a house.
A sturdy NR .223 semi that takes AR mags around $1000 would be awesome.
I'd buy a Modern Varmint, but I can't justify dropping 3 grand +/- when I'm trying to buy a house.
A sturdy NR .223 semi that takes AR mags around $1000 would be awesome.
If you dig around you may be able to pick up a used MR1 in the $1200-1500 range. Not the best lookin gun, nor the most ergonomic for tactical drills. BUT my experience is their robust, reliable and respectfully accurate (under 2" @100yrds). My MR1 is currently my go to long range coyote gun now. I tried shooting 3 gun with it last summer and it was alright, however to somewhat keep up with the AR's it really begs for a muzzle compensator, which I opted out of since I also use it for hunting and do not want to go completely death haha
Cost to produce is not the problem. It's classification. Spend all the money to build a prototype, submit your design, wait 4 or more years, and then it gets prohibited as an AR180 variant. Now you have nothing.
The reason the Nodak lowers are getting in is they are directly advertised as a replacement for the polymer AR180B. You create a new rifle and they start from the beginning. They will make it a variant and prohibited.
Have a look at the Skeli X11. It is ready for primetime at a pricepoint of $1499.00 USD and is in no way a variant of any existing firearm (suggesting non-restricted status in Canada). They are WELL aware of the Canadian market, have already spoken with a Canadian Distributor and the RCMP, and plan an 18.5" barrel right from the start. This could very well be our new "AR180B replacement" with superior features, ergos, and construction. I have handled the X11 - it is definitely not vapour-ware and has the potential to fill a large niche in the North American and export markets.
Form a similar post in Canada Ammo' section dated 2010
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...lones-would-make-you-rich-Git-er-done-fellas!
That was a rather prophetic statement from Canada Ammo back in 2010.
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...lones-would-make-you-rich-Git-er-done-fellas!
That was a rather prophetic statement from Canada Ammo back in 2010.
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You are aware that my post was in reply to the SKS being an "every mans gun" right, and not about any kind of $3K .223?
Really....that's why they are still selling & tuff to keep on the shelves ? People are looking for an inexpensive 223 semi, not a Cadillac. A truck gun, a bush gun,...it doesn't have to be fancy.
Lets keep positive on this.!!
I too have had 2 SU-16 rifles,...but just wanted something a bit sturdier . Then I tried a T97,..a good rifle , but it just didn't have that AR feeling & function. After shooting & handling an AR,...its hard to go backwards to anything else.
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Fore sure it wasn't a perfect gun, but its NR and you have the freedom & choice to take it anywhere. I would be keeping mine also If I was lucky enough to get 1 back then. If you do decide to sell it,..your gonna be making double + what you bought it for.........And why ? ....because everyone wants this type of gun...period.
I just cannot understand how they can build an RIA semi 22 for $70 bucks & sell it here as cheap as $139 & still make money & they cant build a 223 for even $300. How does that work ???
They can manufacture a Chiappa M1-9 Carbine & sell it for $459 , that use to be restricted, plus change it to NR,... how in the world cant they make a 223 semi for the same price point ??????? If they would have made the Chiappa a 223.....you would have a $450 dollar semi auto instead of buying the ruger Mini for $1100 bucks.
A 223 semi auto rifle for under $500 IS completely plausible.....the Observable evidence proves it.
This is straight BS from the manufactures here & price gouging at its finest.!
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$1500usd, so $2000CAD or more, plus it has no last round hold open. I'll pass thanks. These guns look nice but they lack features that should be a no brainer, especially at the price point.
I wouldnt own one even if they gave it to me for free. Its not even worth the space it would occupy in my safe.
how much worse could it already get, LOL. I'd take a chance at the right price point.
Travis Bickle
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Upper Lower Middle Alberta
Looks promising!
Again though the same old issue of made in USA, import/export costs, shipping costs, US dollar exchange, bulls**t NR rifle dealer tax and we're right back to square one again with a $2K CAD + easily NR black rifle
