HEY Bring back the AR 180B !!!!!!!!!!!

Armedsask said:
The Spud lower is not a complete, new firearm. It is not a stretch to think the RCMP would claim a new design is a prohibited variant.

NEA is a business. They chose to pursue the AR102 project as it would have a much larger pay off than a new, potentially prohibited AR180 type rifle.
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The lower is considered the firearm as the regulated part. The get for the lower lists two different barrel lengths which shows they fully appreciate the sterling style uppers fitting and the 180b firearms fitting making the lower a complete firearm. They even say as much in the legal comments for the nodak nds18.

The frt represents lower completed with both styles of upper as complete guns. Not just as stripped lowers.
 
fenceline said:
The lower is considered the firearm as the regulated part. The get for the lower lists two different barrel lengths which shows they fully appreciate the sterling style uppers fitting and the 180b firearms fitting making the lower a complete firearm. They even say as much in the legal comments for the nodak nds18.

The frt represents lower completed with both styles of upper as complete guns. Not just as stripped lowers.
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I am fully aware of how the law works. Now take a step back and look at this objectively. There have been a number of situations where new rifles, or new versions of, have triggered a reclassification. The Sask Sten and BD3008 for example.

The techs at the lab specifically stated that a new rifle design along the lines of an AR180B would likely be classed as a variant of the prohibited AR180. I can see their thought pattern in this statement. The fact the AR180B was not declared a variant is a fluke. It follows none of the previous classification rules of thumb that so many other firearms were classed by. Barrel length (rifling vs length), able to fit an AR180 upper, advertised lineage, etc.

The Spud gets by because it is a direct replacement for the AR180B. It's also a limited interest firearm that doesnt really add any more firearms to the country, so the RCMP don't care about it. A new, complete, ans affordable rifle would be stomped out. They tried with the Swiss Arms, the tried with the Vz58 types. Thinking they wouldnt do the same with an easily declared variant is niave.

Is it possible I'm wrong? Absolutely. That said, I'm not willing to gamble the capital required to bring a new rifle to the market on it.
 
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we are just wondering if the supply of lowers are available. We are working on replacement uppers right now and would like to know if lowers are available for customers to purchase.
 
Just picked up a 180 b repair kit from The Shooting Center. Fit and finish is excellent. Does anyone know who is making these parts. I have never heard of them.
 
CRBurton said:
Just picked up a 180 b repair kit from The Shooting Center. Fit and finish is excellent. Does anyone know who is making these parts. I have never heard of them.
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That would be us. Thank you for the feedback. Stay tuned for exciting stuff we have releasing in the new year.

R.W.A
 
Problem with Bringing back this rifle new production is every retailer in the country with make it a $3000 rifle overnight for X reasons of manufacturing cost increase or some bs
 
I know the non restricted tax can be a real hard pill to swallow. We are trying our best to turn out a great product for a fair price. The AR-180b project has been a real fun experience and has taught us a lot, both from a design point of view as well as market points. We will be revealing our AR-180b upper at the Calgary gun show along with a dozen different muzzle brake designs, rifle rings, rails, Even a chance we may have some of our rifle chassis there.
The project has taken a while because we make 100% of the parts in house. I think we are going to challenge the narrative that Canadian made products have to be super expensive.
The upper is in full testing mode now,and is a blast to shoot. All are chambered .556 with a 1/7 twist light weight profile. We are also doing all our price break downs now and i think everyone will like what we are trying to do.
We hope to talk to all of you at the gun show for feed back on our design and any input or suggestions you have for us moving forward. We truly want to make all the parts you want and provide a Canadian source for everything we need as shooters.
 
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We have started to post pics of the AR-180b-2 upper receiver to our dealer network forum (Range Warrior Accessories)as the parts come off the machines. So leading up to the Calgary Gun show you can have interactions with us about the design. We will also be posting pics of some of our other parts as well.

Cheers.
 
Interested in seeing how your product compares to the wk180c. I see they won't be selling stand alone upper for that version.

For us with lowers needing a modern upper... you guys seem to be the source. Nodak needs finishing.
 
Armedsask said:
I am fully aware of how the law works. Now take a step back and look at this objectively. There have been a number of situations where new rifles, or new versions of, have triggered a reclassification. The Sask Sten and BD3008 for example.

The techs at the lab specifically stated that a new rifle design along the lines of an AR180B would likely be classed as a variant of the prohibited AR180. I can see their thought pattern in this statement. The fact the AR180B was not declared a variant is a fluke. It follows none of the previous classification rules of thumb that so many other firearms were classed by. Barrel length (rifling vs length), able to fit an AR180 upper, advertised lineage, etc.

The Spud gets by because it is a direct replacement for the AR180B. It's also a limited interest firearm that doesnt really add any more firearms to the country, so the RCMP don't care about it. A new, complete, ans affordable rifle would be stomped out. They tried with the Swiss Arms, the tried with the Vz58 types. Thinking they wouldnt do the same with an easily declared variant is niave.

Is it possible I'm wrong? Absolutely. That said, I'm not willing to gamble the capital required to bring a new rifle to the market on it.
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You have some very good points. Some folks are willing to put up the capital in advance, and I really hope this works out. I suspect Wolverine did their research before committing to such a project, but there is no proof of this, and like you said, the reason NEA did not pursue this is because they were told it would be prohib. If this rifle works out, there will finally be an affordable NR on the market and in my safe.

There is no reason that the other manufacturers making AR style rifles that are NR should be so expensive if a whole new 180b can be manufactured from scratch and profited from for under a thousand bucks.
 
driller212 said:
You have some very good points. Some folks are willing to put up the capital in advance, and I really hope this works out. I suspect Wolverine did their research before committing to such a project, but there is no proof of this, and like you said, the reason NEA did not pursue this is because they were told it would be prohib. If this rifle works out, there will finally be an affordable NR on the market and in my safe.

There is no reason that the other manufacturers making AR style rifles that are NR should be so expensive if a whole new 180b can be manufactured from scratch and profited from for under a thousand bucks.
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I agree 100%. It's not just the non restricted guns that are made in Canada that are overpriced. Some manufactured parts here are way over priced as well. Local manufacturing companies who sell muzzle brakes for over 100 dollars that only costs 30 bucks to make. It's time all these companies that have been taking advantage of Canadian shooters for years to just go away. Now with a variety of new companies coming to market with affordable guns and parts we finally have fair options.
Some of the gun shops that have a history of overcharging and misleading customers are doomed now.
 
Isn't funny that within 2 weeks from original post W brings a non-resticted 180b version WK180c under $1000 and with better receivers (all metal and not stamped)? Your wish came true early
 
guess_kto said:
Isn't funny that within 2 weeks from original post W brings a non-resticted 180b version WK180c under $1000 and with better receivers (all metal and not stamped)? Your wish came true early
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The original post of this thread was started on January 25 2017.

This is now 2018
 
Sk sten and the bd3008 were from a period of time whem the lab would acknowledge a firearms status without actually examining the firearm. They would rely on data packages providrd by the designer.

Thus, when data packages didn't match what was actually produced... or information was wrong... amd examinationsnhappened later... the door was open for thr lab to re evaluate and in some cases find errors.

There errors... as they hadn't actually seen the guns before import.

The nodak is NR not because the RCMP like or dislike it, or because they think it is a small part to replace 180b lowers. It is non restrictes because it isn't prohibited or restricted.

The wk180c will be NR for the same reasons the nodak lower is NR and R based on barrel length... just like the entry states it as having NR and R uppers because the 180b and 180 uppers fit.
 
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