HEY Bring back the AR 180B !!!!!!!!!!!

CRBurton said:
I agree 100%. It's not just the non restricted guns that are made in Canada that are overpriced. Some manufactured parts here are way over priced as well. Local manufacturing companies who sell muzzle brakes for over 100 dollars that only costs 30 bucks to make. It's time all these companies that have been taking advantage of Canadian shooters for years to just go away. Now with a variety of new companies coming to market with affordable guns and parts we finally have fair options.
Some of the gun shops that have a history of overcharging and misleading customers are doomed now.
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The biggest reason items made in Canada are so expensive is the cost of labour. How can anyone make a muzzle brake for $30 when the guy sitting in front of the machine is being paid $40 per hour?
You need to consider more than the cost of the raw materials, They have to pay for their building which is not cheap, they have staff to pay, they have to buy the materials, they have to buy the very expensive CNC machines, hopefully they do a little R&D to make something that works as advertised, then there is coatings or surface treatments depending on the item, then there is the quality control department that needs to make sure what you are buying was built correctly, then someone has to package it and ship it. None of these employees are making less than probably $15 per hour thanks to our stupid government continually raising the minimum wage which keeps on forcing companies to raise the prices of their products in order to stay in business.
If you think it's a $30 muzzle brake then open up a shop and start pumping them out, you'll be a millionaire before you know it.
Your other option is to order it off eBay or Amazon and get something made in China with no R&D done to ensure it's actually an effective muzzle device, no quality control to ensure that the threads that were cut into it are actually what they are supposed to be, and was probably painted with black BBQ paint instead of being parkerized, nitrided, or cerekoted.

I think there is a lot more involved than what you realize.


driller212 said:
You have some very good points. Some folks are willing to put up the capital in advance, and I really hope this works out. I suspect Wolverine did their research before committing to such a project, but there is no proof of this, and like you said, the reason NEA did not pursue this is because they were told it would be prohib. If this rifle works out, there will finally be an affordable NR on the market and in my safe.

There is no reason that the other manufacturers making AR style rifles that are NR should be so expensive if a whole new 180b can be manufactured from scratch and profited from for under a thousand bucks.
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We have yet to see what the quality will be like so don't go thinking this is going to be of equal quality to the rifles that are close to $3000. NEA/BCL built an affordable NR AR-10 and there were plenty of issues with the quality of some of them.
 
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DILLIGAF said:
To many NR Black guns on the market already. by the way Canada Ammo now gets their Dominion Arms AR's built in the US its cheaper than China ATM.

ACR, APC, X95 are better alternatives anyways.
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The APC223 has probably the most awkward butt stock of any rifle I've fired. Maybe I'm just too lanky, who knows. Glad I waited to shoot one before I threw money down on one.
 
cr5 said:
The biggest reason items made in Canada are so expensive is the cost of labour. How can anyone make a muzzle brake for $30 when the guy sitting in front of the machine is being paid $40 per hour?
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The problem in Canada is not as much production cost, as market size. The guy making $40 an hour can make hundred of muzzle brakes and hour on Swiss machines, MIM, etc, but he cannot sell enough of them in Canada to cover his overhead if he sells them for a low cost.

Deming showed clearly that we can produce quantity, cheap products with the right process, but if the market is small, the price is high.
 
All of these points are very valid. I guess the price of parts could be lower if the Canadian market got behind Canadian manufacturing. I like seeing the new work being done by Canadian companies to give us the options we have always asked for. I guess now we have to support thier efforts. So I for one will be buying as many Canadian made products as I can.
 
cr5 said:
When will it all be on the shelves at CSC?
Any Edmonton retailers?
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We are in discussions with distributors for all of our product lines. As far as retailers go, we are aiming to have our product on shelves no later than June. :)
 
jiffx2781 said:
Everything I see here is looking good except 1 thing..... Why such a heavy barrel?
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These are just our test barrels. The production barrels will have light weight profiles. And thanks, we think everything is looking good as well.
 
RWA can you show some better pics of how the barrel is retained?
Looks like an AR barrel but does it just slip into the receiver then held in place by attaching the forend support/barrel nut? is that threaded on or is it screwed onto the front of the receiver?

Just trying to get a better idea on how easy/hard it will be to install my own barrel. I'd like to buy a receiver and enough parts to build a complete upper to go with one of the non restricted length barrels I have waiting for future projects. I'm thinking this will get my stainless 300 Blackout barrel.
Also wondering what the gas system length is? Can you guys custom build a couple op rods to allow me to run a carbine length gas system (300BLK likes shorter gas system)?

Are the bolt carrier and some of the other parts nickle boron coated? Look pretty shiny :)

Thanks
 
We will be starting up a new post in our dealer forum to address the number of questions that we are getting about the project (s) :). It should be up shortly, and will be able to answer your questions, as well as probably provide some answers to questions that you haven't even asked yet.

EDIT: It is up in our dealer forum and CR5, I have moved your questions there :)
 
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Range Warrior Accessories Inc. is pleased to announce it's working relationship with NoDak Spud LLC in the production of a Canadian NR rifle based on the AR180B design and using the approved FRT for the NoDak Spud lower receiver.

Range Warrior Accessories is a Canadian based company with a large manufacturing facility at its disposal. With many full service product lines being launched in the next couple months, we are extremely excited to be able to move forward with NoDak and to have an NR rifle available to Canada in just a few short months.

Come see us at our booth at the Calgary Gun Show to see some of what we will be offering as well as to enter for your chance to win one of our first off production rifles.

We have set up a Q and A post on our Dealer Forum to field any questions about the rifle or any other products that we offer. Some aspects cannot be commented on at this time as we are awaiting finalization of industrial design patents (which are coming).

We are also in talks with (and very optimistic about) securing a nationwide distributor for our product which will make it available to those looking to purchase.
 
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