Hi Point Carbines - Facelift!
- Thread starter Deckard
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P0WERWAGON
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- burnaby BC كافر
WOW, that's the shiniest turd i've ever seen!
i would agree that the original config hi point carbine is brutal looking but with the potential stock replacement from Advanced technology i would definitly concider buying one just becuse of the price. (if you can even get them here) ....only 200$ usd in the states for the carbine.
- Location
- Surrey, BC
I agree 100%, I have no patience for gun snobs myself.Deckard said:
Me too. Group buy? I don't have my restricted license, someone would have to hold mine for me while it got the long barrel installed & re-registered as a de-restricted long gun. Where can we get these things and how do we get them across the border?G37 said:I would buy one for $300CDN
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- Alberta land of many guns
There's a difference betweeen gun snobs and those are have some common sense when buying products. The theme for this forum should read" I want it cheap and to look and work like new or better". CGN, powered by Norin CRAP. The topic of low priced firearms have been discussed at nauseum. The bottom line is that a lot of CGN members don't want to pay big money for a toy. That's fair. The same CGN users then turn around and wonder why their low priced toy has failed, has marginal tolerances, vary from unit to unit in all aspects of fit finish and function or just plain don't work as advertised. BUYER BEWARE YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. For those who understand this concept this obviously is not directed towards you.
For the money, it would probably be a neat little toy to blast the pants off of. However I am in the greater majority that agree it would be much wiser to SAVE some more money and buy quality and be completely content with your purchase right from the word go. Even if you don't like the new more expensive firearm, atleast you can sell it. Seeing as how these Hi Point carbines are suggested at about $300 Canadian, I wouldn't even entertain buying one used. I'm sure the "fair" market value for a used one would be somewhere between a Vente cup of starbucks coffee and a half tank of gas for a Honda civic. So rather than invest(rather waste) your money on an otherwise worthless product, do the math, save the extra money and buy with confidence. Buy quality.
Lets not forget the complete vacuum of parts availability here in good old Canada. Do we still remember Rhineland Arms?? We do? Well I'm pretty sure they have a better reputation than Hi Point and we have yet to see some stellar service from them. But hey, who am I speak my opinion, I must be one of the gun snobs here that knows nothing.
CF
P.S. Oh and by the way poweredbybeer, the term you're looking for is a NON RESTRICTED or UN RESTRICTED not a de-restricted.
For the money, it would probably be a neat little toy to blast the pants off of. However I am in the greater majority that agree it would be much wiser to SAVE some more money and buy quality and be completely content with your purchase right from the word go. Even if you don't like the new more expensive firearm, atleast you can sell it. Seeing as how these Hi Point carbines are suggested at about $300 Canadian, I wouldn't even entertain buying one used. I'm sure the "fair" market value for a used one would be somewhere between a Vente cup of starbucks coffee and a half tank of gas for a Honda civic. So rather than invest(rather waste) your money on an otherwise worthless product, do the math, save the extra money and buy with confidence. Buy quality.
Lets not forget the complete vacuum of parts availability here in good old Canada. Do we still remember Rhineland Arms?? We do? Well I'm pretty sure they have a better reputation than Hi Point and we have yet to see some stellar service from them. But hey, who am I speak my opinion, I must be one of the gun snobs here that knows nothing.
CF
P.S. Oh and by the way poweredbybeer, the term you're looking for is a NON RESTRICTED or UN RESTRICTED not a de-restricted.
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um....people seem to be pretty pleased with their norc m14/305's around here (including myself)...not all "cheap" guns are crap. without a proper review from someone on the board who has one, or handling one myself, i wouldnt be able to state my opinion on the quality of the firearm we are discussing.
I've used a HiPoint carbine, and they are indeed crap as are their handguns. In the 3 I've tried at various ranges and shooting events south of the border,not one has made it through a full magazine,or functioned reliably. Dressing it up will have no effect on it's performance IMHO.
- Location
- Alberta land of many guns
platnumbob,
I'm not saying you can't get a working gun for cheap, I'm saying don't expect to get one and don't be surprised when it has issues or fails completely. Of all the Norinco products the 305 does peak my interest.
CF
I'm not saying you can't get a working gun for cheap, I'm saying don't expect to get one and don't be surprised when it has issues or fails completely. Of all the Norinco products the 305 does peak my interest.
CF
- Location
- Surrey, BC
You sound a little bitter. Did someone hurt your feelings? At what point did anyone say that gun snobs know nothing? Where'd that come from?cannonfodder said:
I take it from your rather long-winded post that you consider yourself a gun snob. Define gun snob? Gun snobs treat others with lower priced or lower quality equipment than their own as inferior human beings who should be sneered at and ridiculed for their stupidity. That bugs me, and I'm not alone in feeling that way. Keep in mind that this statement stems from my own personal experience, I realize it's a very general statement.
Do you treat people that way? Do you walk up and tell the 19 year old kid at the range that his SKS is a piece of garbage and he should have "saved up" and bought something more expensive? Do you tell the guy who brings his Norinco 1911 clone to the range to put it away, and that crap like that shouldn't be allowed on the range?
If not, then you're obviously not a gun snob, and shouldn't be offended when someone bashes gun snobs.
Thanx, 'preciate it. I coulda sworn that de-restricted meant the same thing as non-restricted and un-restricted, but I guess I was wrong.
Actually, here we go;
TheFreeDictionary definition of "derestricted"
TheFreeDictionary definition of "unrestricted"
Non-restricted is actually two words, so I couldn't find a single definition online, but it basically means the opposite of restricted, as I'm sure everyone is well aware. So yeah, thanx for straightening that out for me.
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Mystic Precision
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Summerland, BC
The ATI stock is a separate entity so no lawsuits pending. If interested, I can look into these carbines for S&G. They certainly are cheap enough.
Likely to be around $300 to 350 for the carbine alone landed in Canada (there are costs associated with export). Maybe Deckard can add in some info as it seems he has one on the carpet.
How does it function? How did you get one?
The stocks are not out yet so no idea what they cost. Odds are around $100 to 150 with all the bells and whistles.
Get the carbine, swap in the stock and accessories if the rifle functions. Taa Daaaa...
Jerry
Likely to be around $300 to 350 for the carbine alone landed in Canada (there are costs associated with export). Maybe Deckard can add in some info as it seems he has one on the carpet.
How does it function? How did you get one?
The stocks are not out yet so no idea what they cost. Odds are around $100 to 150 with all the bells and whistles.
Get the carbine, swap in the stock and accessories if the rifle functions. Taa Daaaa...
Jerry
- Location
- Alberta land of many guns
pweredbybeer,
My feelings are not hurt and I'm not the least bit bitter. My point was to illustrate the repetitive #####ing that is constantly being posted on this forum in reference to all those who prefer to buy brand name and offer such advice as being "gun snobs". The mere branding of CGN users as "gun snobs" directly relates to your personal opinion about their opinions or reccommendations. It appears to be common practice and common belief that anyone who condones buying brand name must be a "gun snob". I find it awfully ironic that very few who have bought brand name firearms feel the need to constantly justify their purchase to those who don't. There seems to be a real trend with the Norinco crowd(or other cheap firearms) to constantly validate their purchase by referecing some ridiculous claim about its performace. Honestly, no one cares. Only Norinco owners care, I guess its themselves they're trying to convice that what they bought is indeed a wise investment and not a lemon. As I mentioned previously, there are some who understand the limits of what they buy and the limits of what to expect based on what they bought. I don't look down on those who buy into the sport at the low end, more power to them. You have to start somewhere. What I do look down on and will openly critisize are those who make claims that their entry level or bargain surplus firearms are on the equal with their original counterparts or higher quality(and naturally higher priced) firearms of the same category.
Am I a gun snob? I don't think so. Do I get offended when someone bashes gun snobs? Depends on the context of the bashing. Seeing as how this particular case is in reference to those who own or purchase brand name in lieu of purchasing low dollar no name garbage like Hi Point firearms than yes I do get offended.
In regards to the "de restricted" question. I believe the government and your fellow shooters know the term as NON RESTRICTED. That is what I was getting at. To me their called "bush legal". Its a matter of correct terminology, much like a magazine is NOT A CLIP!!!!!!
CF
My feelings are not hurt and I'm not the least bit bitter. My point was to illustrate the repetitive #####ing that is constantly being posted on this forum in reference to all those who prefer to buy brand name and offer such advice as being "gun snobs". The mere branding of CGN users as "gun snobs" directly relates to your personal opinion about their opinions or reccommendations. It appears to be common practice and common belief that anyone who condones buying brand name must be a "gun snob". I find it awfully ironic that very few who have bought brand name firearms feel the need to constantly justify their purchase to those who don't. There seems to be a real trend with the Norinco crowd(or other cheap firearms) to constantly validate their purchase by referecing some ridiculous claim about its performace. Honestly, no one cares. Only Norinco owners care, I guess its themselves they're trying to convice that what they bought is indeed a wise investment and not a lemon. As I mentioned previously, there are some who understand the limits of what they buy and the limits of what to expect based on what they bought. I don't look down on those who buy into the sport at the low end, more power to them. You have to start somewhere. What I do look down on and will openly critisize are those who make claims that their entry level or bargain surplus firearms are on the equal with their original counterparts or higher quality(and naturally higher priced) firearms of the same category.
Am I a gun snob? I don't think so. Do I get offended when someone bashes gun snobs? Depends on the context of the bashing. Seeing as how this particular case is in reference to those who own or purchase brand name in lieu of purchasing low dollar no name garbage like Hi Point firearms than yes I do get offended.
In regards to the "de restricted" question. I believe the government and your fellow shooters know the term as NON RESTRICTED. That is what I was getting at. To me their called "bush legal". Its a matter of correct terminology, much like a magazine is NOT A CLIP!!!!!!
CF
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I can respect Cannonfodder's POV. At least it is reasoned, and not a quick "POS" or "FUGLY" comment that means little. I must point out that the thread title "Hi Point" always brings out people slinging. That is interesting.
Well what ive read about Hi Point, where this sort of thing is discussed till you puke on US gun boards is that some own them and have no problems and others can never get them to work at all.
BUt on the pistols you sort of have to wonder why you would pay like 85$s for a pistol then go and shell out a few hundred on rounds. I think HiPoint pistols are meant to be convient cheap throw away guns for little money.
Maybe the carbine is similar? I dunno... Deckard can you post some comments when you buy one?
BUt on the pistols you sort of have to wonder why you would pay like 85$s for a pistol then go and shell out a few hundred on rounds. I think HiPoint pistols are meant to be convient cheap throw away guns for little money.
Maybe the carbine is similar? I dunno... Deckard can you post some comments when you buy one?
