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I have one of their carbines in 9mm and really like it. Seams really reliable. Cheap little blaster.
Hi-Point Firearms; Fact vs. Fiction; Good SHTF gun?
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Mikeschurman
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I've never really looked at hi point till reading this post, wow are these things ugly. At least norinco copies everyone else's guns and they look decent. I guess they are cheap enough you can throw it in the garbage I it breaks and buy 2 more for the price of 1 quality gun
BCshooterFMJ
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Two guns I will never buy, due to constant bad reviews of them breaking: Keltec and Hipoint.Get two SKS's if you think #### is gonna hit, and stock up on non corrosive ammo. Then get a .22 LR and a #### load of ammo for that.
A pistol? Get a CZ 85 combat, or another type of CZ with no firing pin safety and a spare firing pin or two. again, get two if you really think #### is going to go down.
Arming your family and friends with awful guns is a bad idea lol. Arm them with TT33's then, I know you already own one, it kind of sounds like you just want an excuse to buy one of these things lol. The last thing you would want do do anyway is put a pistol in the hands of people who dont regularly shoot, they need rifles, remember your first time shooting a handgun? Now imagine someone that has barely even shot a gun before suddenly picking up a handgun and shooting.
From what I have heard, Hipoints do not last for thousands of rounds
A pistol? Get a CZ 85 combat, or another type of CZ with no firing pin safety and a spare firing pin or two. again, get two if you really think #### is going to go down.
Arming your family and friends with awful guns is a bad idea lol. Arm them with TT33's then, I know you already own one, it kind of sounds like you just want an excuse to buy one of these things lol. The last thing you would want do do anyway is put a pistol in the hands of people who dont regularly shoot, they need rifles, remember your first time shooting a handgun? Now imagine someone that has barely even shot a gun before suddenly picking up a handgun and shooting.
From what I have heard, Hipoints do not last for thousands of rounds
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BCshooterFMJ
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Come on, hes really gonna throw the auto 9 under the bus like that? The beretta auto 9 is ###y.
Harrier .45
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We have sold many Hi-Point pistols in .40 S&W and .45 ACP. Despite looking and feeling very much like a DeWalt cordless drill (my major selling point for these **ahem!** beauties), the guns do shoot. Yes, the triggers are heavy. Yes, the guns are buckin' fugly. And yes, they do weigh a ton. But consider this, for $249.00, do you really expect the esthetics of a Cabot 1911, or the fit and finish of a Krieghoff drilling?
Target triggers? Bah! These guns are essentially bricks with a handle. The weight comes from the slide, in that the guns are direct blowback and do not feature any sort of locking lugs to retard movement of the slide until pressures in the chamber have subsided. Thus the heavy slide slows rearward movement until the pressure are safe enough to permit the ejection port to open.
Cracking frames? Really? Oh, wait, they come from Detroit that way, therefore they must be garbage. Or could it be that gang-bangers routinely wrap their pistols and shotguns and sawed-off rifles in duct tape because it is almost impossible to lift viable fingerprints off the uneven surface as it wears? How about, with the number of Hi-Points we have sold, not one has ever been returned to our store with a cracked frame. But the Internet says it's true, so who are we to question that undeniable fact?
I personally find the Hi-Point JCP and JHP pistols to be just about the ugliest handguns currently in production, but the damned things SHOOT. Witness the three customers we have had in the past year who have purchased Hi-Point guns and gone on to win IPSC matches at several different clubs around the province.
Ugly? Yes.
Reliable? Yes.
Good SHTF gun? Well, there are prettier models that will get the job done if you want to dazzle the walking dead with your fancy blinged-out STIs or SIG Sauer P22xs, but if it hurls lead down the barrel and knocks down whatever you point it at with relative frequency, it's better than a pointy stick, IMHO.
Target triggers? Bah! These guns are essentially bricks with a handle. The weight comes from the slide, in that the guns are direct blowback and do not feature any sort of locking lugs to retard movement of the slide until pressures in the chamber have subsided. Thus the heavy slide slows rearward movement until the pressure are safe enough to permit the ejection port to open.
Cracking frames? Really? Oh, wait, they come from Detroit that way, therefore they must be garbage. Or could it be that gang-bangers routinely wrap their pistols and shotguns and sawed-off rifles in duct tape because it is almost impossible to lift viable fingerprints off the uneven surface as it wears? How about, with the number of Hi-Points we have sold, not one has ever been returned to our store with a cracked frame. But the Internet says it's true, so who are we to question that undeniable fact?
I personally find the Hi-Point JCP and JHP pistols to be just about the ugliest handguns currently in production, but the damned things SHOOT. Witness the three customers we have had in the past year who have purchased Hi-Point guns and gone on to win IPSC matches at several different clubs around the province.
Ugly? Yes.
Reliable? Yes.
Good SHTF gun? Well, there are prettier models that will get the job done if you want to dazzle the walking dead with your fancy blinged-out STIs or SIG Sauer P22xs, but if it hurls lead down the barrel and knocks down whatever you point it at with relative frequency, it's better than a pointy stick, IMHO.
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Agreed with Harrier .45, ugly yes, reliable and accurate...yes! Forgot to mention how accurate mine is. I also have large hands and the hipoint feels quite natural with the Hogue handall on it where my 1911 feels too small and not ergonomic for me.
I bought a Hi-Point JCP from Epps about a year ago. I have to admit it is as ugly as hell but boy does it shoot. I had some issues with it in that the slide rails seem to excessively show wear over a short period of time. Field stripping is not an easy task.Having said all that I would grade it as "C". I no longer have mine as I traded it away.
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Hey look everyone, the internet is now telling us what great shooters they are! The internet is taking back what he said about hipoints! They must be quality awesome guns cuz the three he sold went on to win some of the 200 and something IPSC matches in Ontario they had in 2013. The internet said that he witnessed it! Hey, just by chance, this internet sells them too!
Now I am not trying to be a ####, just making a point that your just saying stuff on the internet like the countless people who have bashed the gun.
To the OP, a handgun is #### in any kind of fight, if you really think #### is going to hit the fan, your handgun will be a last resort shooter hanging off your belt, thats it, and that's all it will ever be. In real life, handguns are last resort, shotguns are tools, AR's are close quarter combat weapons, the best use for a handgun is to fight your way to a rifle. if you get in a situation you need to use your pistol, your back will be against a wall and you better have something that will go bang every time.
Hold it, rack the slide , see if it slides along the top of your hand or thumb, I Got some pretty big mits, and I laughed my ass off at how badly that gun would cut me up if I shot it. (Compare that hideous overhanging slide to other guns, it is a massive design flaw)
Harrier .45
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And by that standard, your post does no better or worse on the topic.
The difference between reports from persons who have actually handled these guns, such as our store staff, our customers, and individuals such as yourself, is that those reports can be verified, unlike faceless, anonymous claims such as "a friend of a friend said. . . .", or "I read somewhere that. . . .", or "someone told me. . . .".
You see, sir, by your own intellectual indulgence, your claims regarding the effectiveness and usefulness of a handgun in any encounter -- be it for target shooting or personal defence -- add up to nothing more than additional Internet gossip, based upon your remarks above.
I could not fail to notice that your statements fall short of actually claiming to have fired a Hi-Point pistol, ending only with the remark "I laughed my ass off at how badly that gun would cut me up if I shot it." So I am curious as to what additional value your statements make to this topic at all, since by your own admission you have no first-hand knowledge or experience with these guns beyond perhaps handling one or two examples at a sales counter?
Conversely, the experiences of our shop, which sells these guns in high numbers, and provides servicing for those firearms in question -- as well as receiving first-hand reports as to their reliability from persons who have bought them from our store and used them in competition, or for recreational shooting, and therefore have first-hand experience with the function and reliability of those weapons -- would also suggest a degree of merit over unsubstantiated and unverifiable claims to the contrary.
Statements and reports such as these would hold significantly more legitimacy than some random proclamation that states "All Hi-Point pistol frames crack and break", or "It didn't fit my hand, therefore it must be crap."
Would you not agree?
And a tokarev ....much much better shtf pistol and darn near indestructible too!!
however and I hate being able to say this ..but I bought one just to see for myself (why not at that price) & I hate being able to honestly say they are alot better than given credit for!!! Rarely with any ammo have I gotten a ftf/fte and they shootstraight (as another poster mentioned) once you figure the sights out. I hate being able to say after about 2k rounds...I wish I could but I just simply can't complain
...... go for it get one qnd try it out....while you're at it chack out iraqveteran8888 on you tube he has done a few hi point torture tests.
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kalashnikov
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I have one. ugly gun. Looks like an air powered drill. when I take out my CZ75 at the range, nobody is looking. When I take out my Hi-point...I get anything from "what an ugly gun" to "can I try it?"
If you buy one, you won't sell it used. They have no value. So keep in mind that 200ish dollars you will never get back.
When I die, I ask to be burned with it.
If you buy one, you won't sell it used. They have no value. So keep in mind that 200ish dollars you will never get back.
When I die, I ask to be burned with it.
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I just bought the .45 pistol from Epps a couple weeks ago. The staff were very helpful and didn't squirm when I said I wanted to handle the pistol and carbine.
A friend, my g/f and I put 7 mags through it yesterday and it worked amazing. There was only 1 issue with it loading a round, but I think it was just because my g/f didn't load the mag in properly.
Otherwise it shot really great and was accurate (the hopes for any gun). The more I hold it, the more i like the look of it, and it's really not that heavy. I love the .45 JHP and I think it's a good partner for my Norinco 1911.
I'd carry both the norinco and hi-point as shtf guns.
A friend, my g/f and I put 7 mags through it yesterday and it worked amazing. There was only 1 issue with it loading a round, but I think it was just because my g/f didn't load the mag in properly.
Otherwise it shot really great and was accurate (the hopes for any gun). The more I hold it, the more i like the look of it, and it's really not that heavy. I love the .45 JHP and I think it's a good partner for my Norinco 1911.
I'd carry both the norinco and hi-point as shtf guns.
Owned a Hi Point in 40cal for a while. I put it up after my first range trip.
It literally does feel like holding a drill (if you would take the battery off the bottom it would be balanced the same too) I have small hands and that was my biggest sell factor.
The grip was the most uncomfortable I've ever held.
It jammed on me every mag I put through it (5) I believe the mag was a bad one.
Would I buy another? Only if I could pick one up for around 100-125.
I am going to pick up one of the carbines sometime though, I believe my biggest problem was the grip.
It literally does feel like holding a drill (if you would take the battery off the bottom it would be balanced the same too) I have small hands and that was my biggest sell factor.
The grip was the most uncomfortable I've ever held.
It jammed on me every mag I put through it (5) I believe the mag was a bad one.
Would I buy another? Only if I could pick one up for around 100-125.
I am going to pick up one of the carbines sometime though, I believe my biggest problem was the grip.
BCshooterFMJ
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Actually I am better, because I never implied that the internet cannot be trusted , again, you claim "Internet gossip" Yet thats all yours is as well yes? "I owned them, friends own them, we sell them, we fire them." All that is supposed to make us ignore what other owners of the firearm say? Who is to say , of the number you have sold, most of them dont even leave the house? Well, I am sure you will say "Oh they do" And your word is so much more trustworthy then anyone elses.
And I do not think you read my entire post, I CANT fire one, the over hanging slide hits my thumb and not %100 sure, but if I did, I bet that slide would catch a lot of my mit on the recoil. That is the only thing I said in terms of this gun and its function, otherwise I said "I have heard nothing but bad things about its reliability" Again, you are just another person on the internet making claims , but everyone should believe you, and ignore any bad press it has got?
To point out, I never once said anything about the pistol's slide or frame breaking, again, you should read someones entire post that you answer to.
So no, I do not agree with what you are saying to me. As the last thing I said to the OP was : Go and hold one, see if the slide hits your hand when you #### it. Did I tell him NOT to buy one? Did I say "My friend says they suck!" No, but from all the horrible press, I would advise against it, and if your worry is that one day the pistol in question will need to be used in a combat situation, pick something that will go bang every time. AND THAT"s the problems I have heard about them, them not going bang everytime, the slide cracking in half seem to be slightly isolated things, you brought it up, not me
"Statements and reports such as these would hold significantly more legitimacy than some random proclamation that states "All Hi-Point pistol frames crack and break", or "It didn't fit my hand, therefore it must be crap.""
Again , never did I say it was crap because it didnt fit my hand, yet here you are, someone who SELLS these things, telling us that they are fine and great shooters, what makes your word so much better then everyone else's? The fact that you sell them alone is one good reason you wouldnt bad mouth them yes? You missed my point, as you are just another person on the internet claiming things, you say your statements and reports are legitimate, but others are not, snd if you just mean, the few randoms "All these things suck becuase blah blah" Then yes, those are stupid, just like team: "All Norincos suck" but there are first hand reports of what terrible guns they turned out to be, but you say you can be trusted, so there for, we should believe you. That's complete and utter horse####.
Yours is just another opinion, no better or worse then anyone else's. The whole "People lie about Hipoints, but not me... I sell them!" Doesnt hold a lot of standpoint in my eyes.
(By your statements, anyone saying its BAD, is full of ####, anyone saying its GOOD, is full of #### because its the internet, people will have opinions for it and that's that, what you have said, and others on this thread have changed my mind a bit, BUT, would I own one? Not even if it was given to me)
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I have a JCP and a 4095TS
The JCP is fugly, heavy and bulky, but shoots fine and has average accuracy. For the price, it is worthy of being a gun left in the safe "just in case", it is cheaper than a Norinco and won't need tweaking before use. It will never be the one I'm looking forward to take to the range, I'd rather shoot my tweaked Norincos!! But after all I did to them, they would cost an additional 150.00 each.
My 4095 is amazing, I love it, it is accurate, dependable and doesn't look bad in my opinion. Ergonomics is good too. And believe it or not, it has way less plastic than my recently sold SU16F.
I shot about 1500 rounds through the 4095 before cleaning the action, I used to clean the barrel only, the JCP had about 600 rounds and just cleaned the barrel once, both never failed to feed fire or eject. They are pretty "different" to disassemble, so I was always postponing a proper maintenance.
People care too much about what other people think and don't buy certain guns or brands. I personally couldn't care less, so I tried it, liked it and bought it. Many other people at the range hate it just because of what they read about it on the internet.
So answering two of your questions:
- Most shooters I know are gun snobs.
- Buy for profit? No, to many snobs out there. But if you want a fun little carbine, check out the .40 or 45 and there is a good chance you will like it.
The JCP is fugly, heavy and bulky, but shoots fine and has average accuracy. For the price, it is worthy of being a gun left in the safe "just in case", it is cheaper than a Norinco and won't need tweaking before use. It will never be the one I'm looking forward to take to the range, I'd rather shoot my tweaked Norincos!! But after all I did to them, they would cost an additional 150.00 each.
My 4095 is amazing, I love it, it is accurate, dependable and doesn't look bad in my opinion. Ergonomics is good too. And believe it or not, it has way less plastic than my recently sold SU16F.
I shot about 1500 rounds through the 4095 before cleaning the action, I used to clean the barrel only, the JCP had about 600 rounds and just cleaned the barrel once, both never failed to feed fire or eject. They are pretty "different" to disassemble, so I was always postponing a proper maintenance.
People care too much about what other people think and don't buy certain guns or brands. I personally couldn't care less, so I tried it, liked it and bought it. Many other people at the range hate it just because of what they read about it on the internet.
So answering two of your questions:
- Most shooters I know are gun snobs.
- Buy for profit? No, to many snobs out there. But if you want a fun little carbine, check out the .40 or 45 and there is a good chance you will like it.
Just watched a youtube video on the Hi Point C9 pistol. Ugly, heavey, uncomfortable and feels like a brick on a tooth pick. But it works. Life time warranty but where do you send them for repair??? Not back to the U.S. ???
