HK MR223 - lots 'o pics

chanman said:
I'm almost afraid to ask how much the whole setup cost you. Did you pay in Euros or a different local currency?
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We have € :D

Now only speaking about the MR223, front flip-up sight, rear drum sight, flash-hider and V3 grip, the one with a small storage compartiment, it was 3.111.- €.

This is not much more as any other AR would have cost me over here in Europistan. Imported US or Canadian (Dlask) AR's go for 1800- 2000 €, IF we can get some!!!! Add the costs of a custom grip, picantinny rail handguard, BUIS and high end telescopic stock and you are talking more or less about the same price. Same goes for a european like Oberland Arms or Sabre Defence.
 
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Here is my MR223 still waiting on some more accessories though!
 
kolorka,

Ever shot a HK416 / MR223 beside a regular AR15 / M16? Or on full auto?
After several hundred rounds you realize there is a difference. The build quality on the HK guns is better than any AR Variant I've ever seen or shot. They run very clean and reliably. Some of the good AR's are nice (Knights, LMT ect...) but the HK guns are a clear upgrade.

HK has always been expensive, always will. You can bitxh about the price but not the quality or how they run. Some people buy Chev and they get the job done but those driving Mercedes know the difference (some times the Chev drivers are jealous and say so).

Rich
 
Rich LPS said:
kolorka,

Ever shot a HK416 / MR223 beside a regular AR15 / M16? Or on full auto?
After several hundred rounds you realize there is a difference. The build quality on the HK guns is better than any AR Variant I've ever seen or shot. They run very clean and reliably. Some of the good AR's are nice (Knights, LMT ect...) but the HK guns are a clear upgrade.

HK has always been expensive, always will. You can bitxh about the price but not the quality or how they run. Some people buy Chev and they get the job done but those driving Mercedes know the difference (some times the Chev drivers are jealous and say so).

Rich
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Having owned both conventional AR15s (multiple brands) and a 416 (upper), I'm gonna agree with the fact that the HK is a nice product, but to say it's clearly better then some of the DI rifles on the market is not accurate.

It does run cleaner and you really do notice it after about a 500 rounds, but aside from that issue, it really does not offer anything the others don't have.

Honestly, if you are good about maintaining your DI rifle, they will preform on par.

Here's the Pros and Cons for me, which eventually led me back to the DI market:

PROs:

- Cold hammer forged barrel
- Quality of finish and manufacture of all parts
- Cleanliness of the short stroke piston

CONs:

- Availability of replacement parts
- Proprietary hand guards
- Noticeable weight (even the 10" gun was a heavy little pig)
- Raised height of the top rail
- Had to remove hand guards to get at the piston
 
UncleWalther said:
I've been through a bit of an emotional roller coster with this gun in the past 24 hours. My initial enthusiasm was soured a bit by some of the negative comments. But, after a bit of research about potential accessories, and after spending a lot of time examining it tonight, my enthusiasm is renewed. I am going to play hookey from work tomorrow and put a few rounds down range.
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Why would you care about the negative comments? You have a very nice extremely well made rifle that is at a price point which will keep it fairly rare. It has all the features that everyone wants in an AR rifle and you know the piston system is well designed. This thing will keep it's value and probably end up being sought after in the years to come. I wouldn't worry abut the negative opinions. It's one heck of a nice addition to any collection. Plus it looks like it's fun to shoot.

I'm debating going the Tavor route but only because I really like bull pups which also tend to have negative comments associated to them. I would love to have a collection with one of everything :D .

Now we just need to get you into the AR-10 rifles :p
 
Epoxy7 said:
Why would you care about the negative comments? You have a very nice extremely well made rifle that is at a price point which will keep it fairly rare. It has all the features that everyone wants in an AR rifle and you know the piston system is well designed. This thing will keep it's value and probably end up being sought after in the years to come. I wouldn't worry abut the negative opinions. It's one heck of a nice addition to any collection. Plus it looks like it's fun to shoot.

I'm debating going the Tavor route but only because I really like bull pups which also tend to have negative comments associated to them. I would love to have a collection with one of everything :D .

Now we just need to get you into the AR-10 rifles :p
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It's in RichLPS' safe now. Loved the rifle, but not lefty friendly enough for me. I prefer the Swiss Arms.
 
UncleWalther said:
It's in RichLPS' safe now. Loved the rifle, but not lefty friendly enough for me. I prefer the Swiss Arms.
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I like my Swiss Arms rifle too, although I don't have 4 or 5 of them like you :p. Did you locate one of the sniper models?

I'm hoping the Kel-Tec RFB comes through. There's a left friendly bullpup rifle for you :D
 
Epoxy7 said:
I like my Swiss Arms rifle too, although I don't have 4 or 5 of them like you :p. Did you locate one of the sniper models?

I'm hoping the Kel-Tec RFB comes through. There's a left friendly bullpup rifle for you :D
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Just dealing on the sniper model now. Wow... talk about big dollars :eek:
 
UncleWalther said:
Just dealing on the sniper model now. Wow... talk about big dollars :eek:
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Good stuff. I think I'll stick with my poor man's black target special version. I have a match trigger for it that needs to be installed. That's about as close to the "sniper" model as I'll be getting.
 
Mr223 = awesome

I really cannot understand some of the comments on this thread.

If I buy a HK MR223, I'm not looking to drop some POS aftermarket upper on it. I bought it because it is a gas piston HK rifle system.

Its cost is a a matter of relative value and opinion. To guys who could never afford one its expensive. To guys who can it is great value because the quality of manufacturing is superior. If there is one thing the Germans and Swiss know how to make it is firearms.

Despite the SL8-5 trigger, anyone who has held, fired, or owned an HK knows that they just feel and shoot better than pretty much any other firearm made on the planet with the exception of perhaps Swiss Arms and FN.

As for the grip, it is ergonomically much better than standard M4 grips and you can bet your life on it that HK spent a LOT of time getting it right. They took a relatively OK rifle design and made it the best it could possibly be and that has been a great accomplishment.

I cannot believe some of the comments on the rifle and to a guy that just bought it and was excited about it. I've got a SIG SAPR, MR308, and LWRC REPR on order and when I get them I won't be posting on this site because I'll have OZ telling me how crappy/neutered they are and then retract when I express my dissappointment with the negative comments.

If you want to live with your DI system then go ahead. But don't rag on the guys who buy GP systems, which BTW, is what pretty much every major commando unit uses because they are RELIABLE. Fire 20 full C-Mags through a DI M4 and then do the same with a HK 416 on full auto and then tell me what you think of your DI if it has not melted. This argument is just so old.

Differing opinions are fine as they cause great innovations to occur. However, some of the members on this site act like 4 year olds and then wonder why the public has poor attitudes towards gun owners. Strap on a pair and grow up.

And just remember this. Unless you are an active law enforcement officer or active military personnel then you are just a poser running around with your military style rifle and handgun just like me and the rest of us on this forum.

With the exception of prior law enf/mil personnel who could be called back in an emergency/war (very low probability) it is likely that we will spend the rest of our lives carting these firearms to the range, shooting holes in paper, and then taking them back home to clean them and all the milspec gear, accoutrements, mag vests, rail systems and other nifty military gear we can get our hands on will not change that so why even bother comparing any of this in a derogatory manner?

Take an interest, present your opinions fairly and respectfully and support each other.

UncleWalther - nice rig - enjoy
 
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