HK MR223 Question
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Yes, but do keep in mind the following:
Some concerns arose about its reliability in the field (sustained firing, suppressor use, heavy dust). Obviously, not a big deal for range shooters.
The MR223 upper is not compatible with standard AR-15 lowers.
Some concerns arose about its reliability in the field (sustained firing, suppressor use, heavy dust). Obviously, not a big deal for range shooters.
The MR223 upper is not compatible with standard AR-15 lowers.
The reason I ask is because I saw the piece that Future Weapons did on the 416. I was quite surprised to see a AR style rifle stand up to almost all the torture tests that I've seen an AK go through and still function (with the noteable acception of being run over buy a Hummer). I also love the fact that the bolt stays cool to the touch.
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SOCOM supplies has them.
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Damn, so is Epps (they had one about 2 weeks ago).
According to those who have used them on the two way range.
Yeah well I have not had those problems, and i don't consider myself the authority here either.
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Yes, there have been credible concerns about how dirty shorty 416s get after extensive full-auto firing, especially suppressed, but I fail to see what that has to do with people buying 16" semi MR223s in a country where suppressors and 30rd mags are illegal.
I the past it was very tough for shooters and lovers of the M14 to let go.
This holds true to day with the M4/M16/C7-8, fans will have a tough time letting go.
Newer systems are better, SCAR, HK416, Swiss Arms ect. It will take a while before the fans let go and accept those newer / better weapons.
Rich
This holds true to day with the M4/M16/C7-8, fans will have a tough time letting go.
Newer systems are better, SCAR, HK416, Swiss Arms ect. It will take a while before the fans let go and accept those newer / better weapons.
Rich
I believe KevinB or one of his cohorts were saying something about reliability issues of medium round counts. Issues with bolt tilt, which is to be expected.
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With no disrespect to KevinB intended, I don't think it's fair to make an assumption of systemic issues with the platform based on the experiences of one operator.
I believe he was referring to a common issue that was known by all who ran the system. Sort of like how every one who runs a Ford knows they are pieces of s**t.
As well, the problems with bolt tilt in piston AR's is common knowledge among many.
As well, the problems with bolt tilt in piston AR's is common knowledge among many.
HK416 still unproven and with the US no longer interested in them likely to never see wide use. At this point in time it seems the 416 is not the cure all, it was once thought to be.
SCAR also unproven.
Swiss Arms = newer
The SA design (as we have it here) is old baby and outdated by today's standards. The updated versions ie 556 have had some pretty major combat issues that have pretty well ruled them out as well, if they have fixed the bolt issues I haven't heard.The point isn't that there are better systems available its just that most of these new systems offer minimal improvement over a quality M16FOW example. The world awaits a new innovation that will be as revolutionary as the M16 was back in the 60s. Honestly though where is there room for massive improvement?
Bolt design? not really.
Ergonomics? maybe just the bolt release for lefties.
Weight? nothing drastic without polymers like the G36.
Endurance? hard to say as quality examples like the C7 seem to take a lot of use.
DI action? maybe but how much better and at what cost? again the G36 is nice but they traded the weight savings of the polymer for the weight of the gas system. That said I doubt we'll see another DI rifle in the future.
Imagine if you will the US had accepted the XM8 as is. They would have less modularity then they do with the M16. Its all give and take. The wide variety of options the AR now has make it hard to beat. And despite its flaws in general combat is seems to be about as reliable as needed.
Maybe a bullpup design will be the key who knows. Right now though it seems obvious the M16 is gonna be around for a while.
Well, that is how the internet perpetuates a fragment of the truth, and then turn it into the whole truth.
I think you should re-read what Kevin actually said.
It is like the whole terminal ballistic thing - after a few years, few people could actually remember who Dr Martin Fackler is....but everyone can repeat any bullet needs to go over 2700fps to fragment without knowing how the numbers came about., or the paragraph of words under that picture of a bullet in the gel-O.
Some guy showed his dirty 416 after firing with a can on ARF( IIRC) - after a few turns on the internet, the truth became that HK416 is dirty when it fires full auto, especially with a can. Then AAC is showing how bad its competitor's Gemtech product is - now 416 is a complete POS.....
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