Home defence For my Wife

Do you have/does she have restricted pistols? The 9mm Luger for its size is a very effectove round especially loaded with the heavier 147 grain Jacketed Hollow Point for maximum expansion and energy transfer.

I have several boxes of Federal Hydra-Shock 147 gr. hollow-point loaded at 1,000 FPS (very fast for a 147 gr.). The recoil on the 9mm Luger round is very light, something your wife might be comfortable with, not to mention a tactical set up, like:

GLOCK 17 - 9X19
Factory night sights
M3X Tactical Illuminator (120 lumins of white light) to blind an assalent
10-shot mags (several fully charged magazines)
147 grain jacketed hollow points

I have the exact set-up in .45 Automatic (GLOCK 21)...you cant go wrong.
 
Ok i might be mississing something here but I didnt realize we were allowed to use firearms for self defence here in canada .....AM I WRONG
 
geta dog. then a 10/22 with the extenede mags. even with a vest on those things still hurt like hell. and with a 25 shot mag backing it up you will drop the gun. plus there is no recoil
 
So here it is... I live in a rural area and there are only a few houses nearby but One i'm sure is being used for a Marijuana grow op. Due to limited resources and what not the RCMP can't really take action on an empty house and not get any charges. Boils down to this. My wife is scared that something bad may happed, though I feel her fear is unfounded, she would be more comfortable with a defence gun available. She is petite and has previous back and neck injuries so a .12 guage is out. Is a .410 or .20 suitable for home defence? Smaller the better, what would you recomend on the cheap?

Grow op houses tend to be quiet around here.
I'd be more concerned about an active crack house that deals with people coming and going.

As far as the correct firearm she has to be able to shoot it comfortably.
She's better off with a .22lr that she will hit him with than a .50BMG that she misses with.

I'd think the .410 would be fine, with slugs it has comparable energy to the higher powered handgun rounds.

The real key is to make sure she has warning that they're coming, a good alarm, or dog is more important than the firearm. Not that I think grow ops are high risk neighbours anyway.
 
Any gun she can have easy access to, load fast (maybe a clip fed?) and handle & shoot proficiently is a great gun regardless of caliber... that includes the .22. A semi-auto .22 that you can fire extremely fast is extremely deadly. Having a high capacity insertable mag(s) is a definitive advantage, especially if there is more than one intruder.

You can't argue about having a big territorial dog(s) like most shepards, rotweilers, and dobermans. However, if you don't like dogs (they do smell and leave hair everywhere in the house) and having an animal that requires the attention of a 3 year old child, paying for the food and vet bills, poop everywhere on your lot, and exercising them regularly ( ie. walks every day), then there's not much to talk about. Is there?
 
i cant believe people are recommending a .22lr for defense.

again, i have seen dozens of 1lb prairie dogs/squirrels take body shots with .22lr and many live long enough to run dozens of yards, climb trees, etc. a .20lb raccoon often takes several body shots with a .22lr to drop quickly.
you want to trust this on a 200lb druggie wearing winter clothing? oookay :eek:
better make sure she has some 50 rounders if theres more than one assailant :rolleyes:

the OP isnt asking 'hey guys, i have a .22lr and cant afford to get something better, is this better than nothing for home defense?'.
hes asking 'what should i go out and buy for my wife specifically for home defense'.
buying a .22lr when there are dozens of other far more effective low-recoil options would be downright foolish. not to mention id hate to have to trust my life to a 10/22 and a butler aftermarket mag.

have any of you that are recommending the .22lr shot anything over 50lbs with a .22lr? how did that work out for you?
 
Ok i might be mississing something here but I didnt realize we were allowed to use firearms for self defence here in canada .....AM I WRONG


Yes you are wrong. The criminal code of canada should be next on your reading list. Take you time and pay attention.

To sumarize: If you fear life and limb of yourself or another, you have the right to defend yourself or another from an attacker using any means necessary. This includes guns. You'll notice that all our advice here presupposes a couple of things.

1) The guns were stored legally (pistol box and unloaded).
2) Loading the firearms in your home is most likely a crime, but you only loaded the firearm when you reasonably feared for your life. (break in/intruder etc...) so self defense justifies the act.

Call 911, arm yourself and hold up in your bedroom or you children's bedrooms and if a perp enters do what you gotta do.
 
Yes you are wrong. The criminal code of canada should be next on your reading list. Take you time and pay attention.

To sumarize: If you fear life and limb of yourself or another, you have the right to defend yourself or another from an attacker using any means necessary. This includes guns. You'll notice that all our advice here presupposes a couple of things.

1) The guns were stored legally (pistol box and unloaded).
2) Loading the firearms in your home is most likely a crime, but you only loaded the firearm when you reasonably feared for your life. (break in/intruder etc...) so self defense justifies the act.

Call 911, arm yourself and hold up in your bedroom or you children's bedrooms and if a perp enters do what you gotta do.

Altho this is fairly decent advice, I would still highly recommend reading the laws for yourself;)
 
i cant believe people are recommending a .22lr for defense.

again, i have seen dozens of 1lb prairie dogs/squirrels take body shots with .22lr and many live long enough to run dozens of yards, climb trees, etc. a .20lb raccoon often takes several body shots with a .22lr to drop quickly.
you want to trust this on a 200lb druggie wearing winter clothing? oookay :eek:
better make sure she has some 50 rounders if theres more than one assailant :rolleyes:

the OP isnt asking 'hey guys, i have a .22lr and cant afford to get something better, is this better than nothing for home defense?'.
hes asking 'what should i go out and buy for my wife specifically for home defense'.
buying a .22lr when there are dozens of other far more effective low-recoil options would be downright foolish. not to mention id hate to have to trust my life to a 10/22 and a butler aftermarket mag.

have any of you that are recommending the .22lr shot anything over 50lbs with a .22lr? how did that work out for you?

Don't quote me, but I'm 99% sure that the 22LR catridge is the only cartridge recorded for killing at least one of every animal on the planet.

I am not addicted to meth, and I'm sure shot placement would definatly kill me. With both of the popular arguements out of the way... I still would prefer not to be shot with a 22 of any sort.
 
Here's something I came across on the Alberta Outdoorsmen Forum. I, myself follow the Louisville Slugger phhilosophy, and would get a dog *way* before I'd even think about a home defence gun, but for those who prefer the boomstick:

I'm a lawyer in general practice in a small town. I'm also a shotgun addict. You say you have'nt owned a shotgun before, but you want one for protection. Here's my advice:

1. Regardless of the law, regardless of the new "castle doctrine" laws they may pass in your state, regardless of how much the low life needs killing that breaks in your home,,,,,it really DOES matter what kind of gun you use if you ever even point it at somebody, much less use it. Remember that having a gun in your hand in an argument with somebody, or pointing up in the air, gets you exposed to FELONY charges if some overzealous prosecutor wants to charge you. I have universally told all of my clients who have EVER asked me to use a double barreled side by side (or over and under) shotgun, just like Elmer Fudds, with cheap 7 1/2 field loads you buy at Wal Mart, for home protection. Why? Because it's the absolutely LEAST offensive gun a prosecutor could ever waive around in front of a jury, later, if you have to justify using the thing. For the love of God don't chose a black, pistol gripped "people shooter" with a folding stock. You are just asking for it if you do. And don't say you bought your shotgun for protection. You are about to become a target shooter, my friend. Welome to the world of shooting clay birds. And the day the bad guys come in at 3 am, Thank Goodness you happened to have your double barrel shotgun handy.
Any 12 or even 20 gauge shotgun will blow an intruder to the infernal regions at the distance you'll shoot, with any load. You don't need buckshot or slugs, and not only will some prosecutor argue you bought those evil shells designed to kill people, you don't want the extra penetration in your house if you ever need to use it. Use 7 1/2, or 8's, or even 9's, but never the big shot sizes.

2. Now I'm putting on my shotgun lover hat, and taking off my lawyer hat. Since you haven't owned a shotgun before, I advise you to go to Cabela's or your local gun shop or Bass pro or Wal Mart and buy a Mossberg Select over and under shotgun for just under 500 bucks, with a 26, or 28 inch barrel in 20 gauge. Now you have a real, usable clay target gun, that will be really easy for you to shoot. Nothing can even compare to a break open gun for a beginner, and the 20 will break all the clay birds (and kill all the bad guys) you'll ever want. Then, absolutely, go to a sporting clays range and the owners should GLADLY teach you how to shoot your gun. If they don't, then the next range owner will. A shotgun is the best home defense gun there is, in my opinion, even if it wasn't the best legal option to use. But to use it for home defense, you can't be fumbling with it. You've got to know how to use it. Three different days at a sporting clays range, (try the skeet range first), and you'll not only be proficient with your shotgun, you'll likely have a new hobby. You like to bowl? It's fun. Shotguns are even funner.

By the way, I'm for the homeowner. I'm for you having the right to blow anybody away who breaks in your home. But even in your home, even after he's broke in, the law says and has always said you have the right to use deadly force ONLY IF IT IS REASONABLE. It's that weasel word "reasonable" that lets prosecutors charge the good guy. You've never had the right to execute a house breaker who's surrendered. You never will. That's the problem with "holding them for the police to come". If you can, barricade yourself in a room, yell out that the police are coming and you have a gun, and if they break in through the door, it's either you or them. And, by the way, never say you shot to kill. You shoot to STOP. You shoot to STOP THEM FROM KILLING YOU. You shoot them dead center mass, because you absolutely have to stop them. You shoot once and if they keep coming (doubtful) you shoot again. You never ever reload and shoot them when they are down. One or two 20 gauge loads in the belly at six feet is absolutely going to stop the biggest, meanest, meth crazed junkie on earth. He'll get really peaceful, really fast. You never fire warning shots, never brandish the shotgun and threaten them with it, never try to capture them. You only USE it if you absolutely HAVE to because they are coming after you. Hope they have a weapon. But if they don't, and they are coming after yours, you don't have to let them take it away from you. Always always always call the police, and then a lawyer. And hope you don't ever get in this situation. It's a wonderful idea to take a concealed weapons class, if they offer one in your area, or a firearms class of some kind, before you go through with this.​

Personally, I have no opinion on this. I just thought it'd be interesting to some here.
 
Grow op houses tend to be quiet around here.
I'd be more concerned about an active crack house that deals with people coming and going.

As far as the correct firearm she has to be able to shoot it comfortably.
She's better off with a .22lr that she will hit him with than a .50BMG that she misses with.

I'd think the .410 would be fine, with slugs it has comparable energy to the higher powered handgun rounds.

The real key is to make sure she has warning that they're coming, a good alarm, or dog is more important than the firearm. Not that I think grow ops are high risk neighbours anyway.

I agree that it is quiet. That is why I stated in my OP that I feel her fear is unfounded and for some reason logic doesn't matter in this case she is scared despite the fact that noone lives there and they only show up at random intervals. My intetion to this thread was to get an idea of what small shotguns are available simply so she will feel better that there was something for her 'just in case'.
 
Don't quote me, but I'm 99% sure that the 22LR catridge is the only cartridge recorded for killing at least one of every animal on the planet.

I am not addicted to meth, and I'm sure shot placement would definatly kill me. With both of the popular arguements out of the way... I still would prefer not to be shot with a 22 of any sort.

its not about whether or not it CAN kill someone.
its about whether or not you can rely on it to do so quickly and effectively.

a .223 has almost no recoil, and is far more lethal than a .22lr.

again (im starting to sound like a broken record here) - the OP isnt asking 'hey guys, i have a .22lr and cant buy anything else, is this better than nothing for home defense?'.

he is asking 'what gun should i go out and buy for my wife for home defense?'

while in a survival situation you could definitely dig a 6 foot hole with a plastic hand trowel, if youre standing in the gardening tool aisle in Canadian Tire would it not be wiser to buy a shovel instead?
 
So here it is... I live in a rural area and there are only a few houses nearby but One i'm sure is being used for a Marijuana grow op. Due to limited resources and what not the RCMP can't really take action on an empty house and not get any charges. Boils down to this. My wife is scared that something bad may happed, though I feel her fear is unfounded, she would be more comfortable with a defence gun available. She is petite and has previous back and neck injuries so a .12 guage is out. Is a .410 or .20 suitable for home defence? Smaller the better, what would you recomend on the cheap?

your protecting your wife Sir, I wouldn't worry about cheap, make sure whatever it is it works for HER and if it ever gets used it accidently fell over and discharged....damn.
 
Would you please re-read the SECOND SENTENCE IN MY ADVICE!

Thank you.

Ya I read that, good advice.

But this...

drvrage said:
Call 911, arm yourself and hold up in your bedroom or you children's bedrooms and if a perp enters do what you gotta do.

"do what they gotta do" ain't gonna hold for much in court when the now "perp" for shooting someone in there own home says the read it on the internet.

Calm down, my comment was not directed at you, in fact I said it was good advice..but they should read for themselves.:)
 
its not about whether or not it CAN kill someone.
its about whether or not you can rely on it to do so quickly and effectively.

a .223 has almost no recoil, and is far more lethal than a .22lr.

again (im starting to sound like a broken record here) - the OP isnt asking 'hey guys, i have a .22lr and cant buy anything else, is this better than nothing for home defense?'.

he is asking 'what gun should i go out and buy for my wife for home defense?'

while in a survival situation you could definitely dig a 6 foot hole with a plastic hand trowel, if youre standing in the gardening tool aisle in Canadian Tire would it not be wiser to buy a shovel instead?

Absolutly.

But Like the OP, my girlfriend suffers from a previously broken back. I had a small 20 guage for her, which she shot a few times but then the recoil lead her away from it. She's affraid of it.

Also she will not touch my .223, it's too loud. again she's affraid of it.

She loves to shoot my 22lr, and really enjoyed my friends 22 mag.

All I'm saying is that the only gun my GF would even consider is a 22. Is it the "right choice " and should it be the first choice, absolutly not.

The OP needs to find ANYTHING, she is comfortable with. should that be a 22 than, thats what it is.
 
Here's something I came across on the Alberta Outdoorsmen Forum. I, myself follow the Louisville Slugger phhilosophy, and would get a dog *way* before I'd even think about a home defence gun, but for those who prefer the boomstick:

I'm a lawyer in general practice in a small town. I'm also a shotgun addict. You say you have'nt owned a shotgun before, but you want one for protection. Here's my advice:

1. Regardless of the law, regardless of the new "castle doctrine" laws they may pass in your state, regardless of how much the low life needs killing that breaks in your home,,,,,it really DOES matter what kind of gun you use if you ever even point it at somebody, much less use it. Remember that having a gun in your hand in an argument with somebody, or pointing up in the air, gets you exposed to FELONY charges if some overzealous prosecutor wants to charge you. I have universally told all of my clients who have EVER asked me to use a double barreled side by side (or over and under) shotgun, just like Elmer Fudds, with cheap 7 1/2 field loads you buy at Wal Mart, for home protection. Why? Because it's the absolutely LEAST offensive gun a prosecutor could ever waive around in front of a jury, later, if you have to justify using the thing. For the love of God don't chose a black, pistol gripped "people shooter" with a folding stock. You are just asking for it if you do. And don't say you bought your shotgun for protection. You are about to become a target shooter, my friend. Welome to the world of shooting clay birds. And the day the bad guys come in at 3 am, Thank Goodness you happened to have your double barrel shotgun handy.
Any 12 or even 20 gauge shotgun will blow an intruder to the infernal regions at the distance you'll shoot, with any load. You don't need buckshot or slugs, and not only will some prosecutor argue you bought those evil shells designed to kill people, you don't want the extra penetration in your house if you ever need to use it. Use 7 1/2, or 8's, or even 9's, but never the big shot sizes.

2. Now I'm putting on my shotgun lover hat, and taking off my lawyer hat. Since you haven't owned a shotgun before, I advise you to go to Cabela's or your local gun shop or Bass pro or Wal Mart and buy a Mossberg Select over and under shotgun for just under 500 bucks, with a 26, or 28 inch barrel in 20 gauge. Now you have a real, usable clay target gun, that will be really easy for you to shoot. Nothing can even compare to a break open gun for a beginner, and the 20 will break all the clay birds (and kill all the bad guys) you'll ever want. Then, absolutely, go to a sporting clays range and the owners should GLADLY teach you how to shoot your gun. If they don't, then the next range owner will. A shotgun is the best home defense gun there is, in my opinion, even if it wasn't the best legal option to use. But to use it for home defense, you can't be fumbling with it. You've got to know how to use it. Three different days at a sporting clays range, (try the skeet range first), and you'll not only be proficient with your shotgun, you'll likely have a new hobby. You like to bowl? It's fun. Shotguns are even funner.

By the way, I'm for the homeowner. I'm for you having the right to blow anybody away who breaks in your home. But even in your home, even after he's broke in, the law says and has always said you have the right to use deadly force ONLY IF IT IS REASONABLE. It's that weasel word "reasonable" that lets prosecutors charge the good guy. You've never had the right to execute a house breaker who's surrendered. You never will. That's the problem with "holding them for the police to come". If you can, barricade yourself in a room, yell out that the police are coming and you have a gun, and if they break in through the door, it's either you or them. And, by the way, never say you shot to kill. You shoot to STOP. You shoot to STOP THEM FROM KILLING YOU. You shoot them dead center mass, because you absolutely have to stop them. You shoot once and if they keep coming (doubtful) you shoot again. You never ever reload and shoot them when they are down. One or two 20 gauge loads in the belly at six feet is absolutely going to stop the biggest, meanest, meth crazed junkie on earth. He'll get really peaceful, really fast. You never fire warning shots, never brandish the shotgun and threaten them with it, never try to capture them. You only USE it if you absolutely HAVE to because they are coming after you. Hope they have a weapon. But if they don't, and they are coming after yours, you don't have to let them take it away from you. Always always always call the police, and then a lawyer. And hope you don't ever get in this situation. It's a wonderful idea to take a concealed weapons class, if they offer one in your area, or a firearms class of some kind, before you go through with this.​

Personally, I have no opinion on this. I just thought it'd be interesting to some here.

That's a good article, and makes for good logic.
 
Also she will not touch my .223, it's too loud. again she's affraid of it.

She loves to shoot my 22lr, and really enjoyed my friends 22 mag.

All I'm saying is that the only gun my GF would even consider is a 22.

get her some ear protection for use on the range.
in a home defense scenario, loud is good.

you should be looking for a tool that can quickly and effectively resolve the confrontation. plinking at a 200lb drugged up badguy in winter clothing with a .22 is not likely to end well for her, and IMO is providing a false sense of security.

i would not like to be shot with a .22, or even an air rifle for that matter - but i have seen countless times how ineffective the .22 can be on even raccoon-sized game and do not think that this should be a consideration for a home defense weapon unless it is literally all you have available. there is a tremendous difference between a .223 and .22lr in power and wound ballistics.

in addition to my .25-06 or .223, i take a .22lr (10/22T) along with me each year i go groundhog hunting as a spare gun and also a loaner for friends who like to come along with us but lack a varmint gun. ill often switch with them to the .22 so theyre not saddled with it the whole time, and they can make some bigger bangs. i consider a .22lr a marginal weapon for even groundhogs - unless you make a headshot, there is a very good chance that it will escape to/down its hole.
yes many animals have been killed with a .22, but many animals have also been killed with an atlatl -- doesnt mean your wife should rely on one to end a confrontation quickly and decisively.

again if its your ONLY choice, then use it. but if you have other choices - such as the OP in this thread - then specifically choosing a .22 would be very unwise.
 
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