Home defence For my Wife
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Any youth model shotgun loaded with buckshot should be fine. If you're into handguns a Glock is the easiest to use and a 17C has very little recoil. Take her to the range and practice, practice, practice. Make a plan about what to do in an emergency. Practice the plan and rehearse clearing the house. The dog is a great idea. So is all the "normal" stuff that you can do to improve security. Improved lighting, locks on windows and doors, alarm system, hedges, gates, fences, etc. Make sure you discuss the whole situation fully before you commit to a new gun. Some people don't have the "stones" to even think about shooting at someone even if they are a criminal.
I did my firefighting training down in texas a few years back. i spent a few nights at a classmates house in the bad part of town, and one night i noticed a wooden shotgun stock sticking up above the pillows. I asked him what is that for? he replied " if someone comes through my front door and hears it (cocking shotgun), and they dont run, they you gotta shoot em"
if you think about it for a bit, i d say it makes alot of sence
if you think about it for a bit, i d say it makes alot of sence
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they make reduced recoil loads in both slug and 00 buck. When I worked at Brinks, we used Winchester Reduced Recoil 00. Needless to say, it recoils a lot lighter than field loads of birdshot, and even some of the target loads out there. Our most diminutive female staff had no problems putting rounds on a man sized target, even in rapid fire. I found the Winchester stuff to be so soft shooting that I can even handle a pistol grip shotgun with 1 hand shooting it.
Well though I like the Idea of a dog, I don't own my home and am not certain how long we will be here. I have had to both find a home for and put down dogs in the past when moving and thats a crappy situation to be in. I actually like the Idea of the SKS but for now perhaps I should just get her to put some light loads through my Para Ordnance and get her comfortable with that And ya maybe I need to cross that line and "Notice a broken window next door" Thanks all
A friend of mine lives in a relatively isolated place and husband is often working on the road. She has a 200 pounds irish wolfhound. She's not too stressed out. But yes, the dog poops bigger loads than a 12ga.
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sling it
Set her up with a shot gun of what ever kind / size, sling it from the top, teach her to shoot from the hip, she ain't gotta miss a bad guy with buck shot! and she ain't gonna feel much recoil even from a 2 3/4 12 ga. Maybe a little on the wrist. As someone said: quick to load a SXS and short barrels point quick & easy. I have a very short Mossberg 500 pump in 12 ga slung from the top with pistol grips on both the butt and forearm, set up for just that purpose!
---------better to be judged by 12, rather than carried by 6--------
Set her up with a shot gun of what ever kind / size, sling it from the top, teach her to shoot from the hip, she ain't gotta miss a bad guy with buck shot! and she ain't gonna feel much recoil even from a 2 3/4 12 ga. Maybe a little on the wrist. As someone said: quick to load a SXS and short barrels point quick & easy. I have a very short Mossberg 500 pump in 12 ga slung from the top with pistol grips on both the butt and forearm, set up for just that purpose!
---------better to be judged by 12, rather than carried by 6--------
CatfishSteve
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a double .410 cut down is the perfect home defence weapon for a small person with limited experience. #1 mild recoil
#2 no action to jam
#3 you can shoot 45 colt in it a proven man stopper
#4 Cheap
Belgian Malinois:
The guy who trained my Lab, trains these guys for a living for security purposed. They are scary little devils. I wouldn't even consider the thought of have to be near a malinois if it doesn't want you there..
Glock4ever
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I recommend a 10/22 Magnum with 22 WMR Jacketed Hollowpoints. It is a rimfire but has way more punch then a long rifle and you could load up hi-cap mags legally and it also allows you to take out pest animals (4 legged types), it has almost no recoil and is not very loud.
manbearpig
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did some of you guys recommending dogs miss what the OP wrote?
as for the .22lr thing:
there is no guarantee that 22LR will kill a person, much less someone pumped full of drugs and adrenaline. ive seen one pound prairie dogs and squirrels shot with .22LR survive long enough to run fifty yards, are you going to trust it to stop a 200lb human being?
as for the .410:
http://www.brassfetcher.com/12 gauge.html
you are essentially firing a third (or less) as much lead at your assailant with a .410. both barrels of a .410 coach gun as was recommended would pack less stopping power than a single 2 3/4" reduced recoil 12ga round (of which she would have 3-8 more in a pump or semi), and if they missed or failed to stop shed be in big trouble. yes a .410 coach gun is better than nothing, but its far from ideal.
if the op already had one (.22 or .410), and due to budget constraints had to use only what was available, then sure use it. but he is asking what he should specifically go out and BUY - and as such a .22lr and .410 are really bad choices.
dogs arent for everyone.
as for the .22lr thing:
there is no guarantee that 22LR will kill a person, much less someone pumped full of drugs and adrenaline. ive seen one pound prairie dogs and squirrels shot with .22LR survive long enough to run fifty yards, are you going to trust it to stop a 200lb human being?
as for the .410:
http://www.brassfetcher.com/12 gauge.html
you are essentially firing a third (or less) as much lead at your assailant with a .410. both barrels of a .410 coach gun as was recommended would pack less stopping power than a single 2 3/4" reduced recoil 12ga round (of which she would have 3-8 more in a pump or semi), and if they missed or failed to stop shed be in big trouble. yes a .410 coach gun is better than nothing, but its far from ideal.
if the op already had one (.22 or .410), and due to budget constraints had to use only what was available, then sure use it. but he is asking what he should specifically go out and BUY - and as such a .22lr and .410 are really bad choices.
ipscgraz
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I kind of agree with the 10/22 with a couple of mags beside it, if the .243 was too much recoil. You had mentioned cheap; this also fits.
What about a 9mm AR?
As far as the dogs go for scouts & security, that is why humans domesticated wolves in the first place. Unfortunately, most grow ops & dopers almost invariably have big dogs as well. If things go really, really, bad your wife may be in a spot where she hears her dogs (that will soon become pets) in a fierce fight with the dogs from down the road.
What about a 9mm AR?
As far as the dogs go for scouts & security, that is why humans domesticated wolves in the first place. Unfortunately, most grow ops & dopers almost invariably have big dogs as well. If things go really, really, bad your wife may be in a spot where she hears her dogs (that will soon become pets) in a fierce fight with the dogs from down the road.
Both dogs and firearms are big responsibilities. One thing you could try is building a dog house and posting signs. Most of the time, Potheads don't want to disturb their neighbors as this will blow their cover. If you have a major concern with them, keep calling the police. Maybe even remind them about what happened in Alberta a few years back. I know if my neighbors have a problem with my guns, the RCMP will be at my door that afternoon. Unless you have had problems with them in the past, you are probably not going to have problems with them if you leave them alone. If you live in a remote type area, and you own a shotgun, Let off a few shots every now and then in your field. They will eventually hear this and it is also fun for you. YOU are probably the biggest threat to them and their cover. BUT, if SHTF, a pumps action being racked in your face is very intimidating. But be prepared to release the hounds if they are carrying as well.
I agree with the multi layer home defence theory.
You need an alarm and locks and maybe a dog to slow down an intruder and give your wife time to go load her self defence tool.
If you read Massad Ayoob (stress fire books) he recomends a hand gun as a primary tool for home defence. Also, if you want to go with a shotgun he recomends a semi (in 20 gauge for women.) His resoning was: in a stressful real life situation you are far more likely to short stroke a pump shotgun and a jam could cost you you life.
You need an alarm and locks and maybe a dog to slow down an intruder and give your wife time to go load her self defence tool.
If you read Massad Ayoob (stress fire books) he recomends a hand gun as a primary tool for home defence. Also, if you want to go with a shotgun he recomends a semi (in 20 gauge for women.) His resoning was: in a stressful real life situation you are far more likely to short stroke a pump shotgun and a jam could cost you you life.
I would never profess to be an expert on self defense and I don't play one on tv so I tend to default to those in the know. Massad Ayoob is one of the most respected authorities out there regarding self defense and he gave high marks to standard gripped 20 gauge pump guns using (IIRC) reduced recoil 000 buck for close range (such in house) use. In his research and testing this combination was very controllable and gave a quick return to target time. Again I certainly no expert in this matter but Mr. Ayoob is. I found this info on the Proarms podcast - ht tp://proarms.podbean.com/category/shotguns/
Cheers
Cheers
manbearpig
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last i checked, (commercial) reduced recoil buckshot for 20ga doesnt exist, although there are online threads/petitions asking for it.
such as this one:
http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?t=307295
such as this one:
http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?t=307295
