home defence shotgun, which one?

You're wasting your time. The "look" of the firearm will make no difference in the court room.

TDC

thats your opinion. again, some people have other priorities than having a gun that 'looks badass'.

The look of the firearm will also most likely be lost on the the jury when they learn about the five or ten other guns you have in your closet.

the other guns you have in your closet have absolutely zero relevance - just the one you shot the home invader with. nice try.
 
it depends on your house, who is in it, how close your neighbors are.
in an apartment with drywall you wouldnt want to use slugs since you could kill someone several rooms or even apartments over through overpenetration. even in a house in the middle of a 100 acre field you still have to consider family members sleeping in other rooms in the house. self-defense or not, you are responsible for anyone/thing the projectile injures.

this is a really hokey site IMO, but it can give you some basic idea of the penetration of different types of ammo through wall-like structures:

theboxotruth.com

and specifically the shotgun load testing:
theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3.htm
 
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the other guns you have in your closet have absolutely zero relevance - just the one you shot the home invader with. nice try.

No - he's actually got a point there. We've seen the other guns a person has come up in trials before. Latest example i can think of is the guy who killed the officer in quebec while defending his home.

He got off tho.

The 'type' of gun and if it's 'scary' is unlikely to significantly impact any trial. The questions will be simple - was it self defense or was it not. In short - did the guy have a reasonable cause to believe that he or a family member or person under his protection was about to become the victim of grevious bodily harm or death?

The only time the gun comes into it is if the prosecution was attempting to demonstrate that the person was not reasonable or responsible with his firearms, or was 'eager' to shoot someone to death. That would take a lot more than 'the gun was scary' - like having it under his pillow loaded or the like. And it would STILL be hard to prove.

Criminals have regularly gotten off with killing someone in self defense using illegal handguns. It doesn't get much more scary than that to the public, shy of a full auto.

Use the best gun for the job - don't worry about 'looks'. That's the least of your problem. And if the gun is 'scary' - maybe the bad guys will decide to give up or leave and you won't have to shoot anyone at all in the first place.
 
I have a Winchester 1300 Defender as my " just in case" gun. Top folding stock with shell holder, heat shield, Tri-Rail with super bright Tac Light. I guess it's a " Zombie " gun but I use it for everything else too. If you are the type to keep it loaded, you've got 8 rounds. Super reliable and fairly cheap. I also have a Stoeger coach supreme and it would also be great for HD. It's probably my favorite gun right now. It shoots like a champ and fits me like a custom. I would recommend it to anyone.
 
DA grizzly: 12.5" barreled with the standard bead sight. install a short LOP wood or laminate full stock and dont make any other 'tactical' modifications.

Why bead as opposed to ghost ring? I don't imagine a tiny little sight would make much of a difference in terms of looking too "scary".
 
I posted this in another thread but it works here to. I happen to think that for home defence the short barrelled coach is one of the best choices going..I believe a better choice than a handgun or pump....here's why:


Let me see f I can convince you.... I'm talking about defense in the home (hense my "from the bedroom to the kitchen" reference). I would not recomend that one carry this on his person outside the house. Rarely does self defence with a firearm involve any mag changes or more than a few shots...in this situation hits and reliability count.

Here's some stats I found on the net:


First, 95% of all gunfights occur when the opponents are within 0–21 feet of each other. Of these, 20% find that the opponents are 10 to 21 feet apart, 20% when the opponents are 5 to 10 feet from each other, and 55% of the time gunfire occurs when the combatants are within 5 feet of each other.

Second, a man with a knife can cover the distance of 21 feet in 1.5 seconds or less while the average time it takes to draw a handgun from a concealed location by a trained person is closer to 2.0 seconds.

Third, most gunfights transpire in low light or minimal light conditions and last between 3 and 5 seconds.

Fourth, during those 3 to 5 seconds of the gunfight only 3 or 4 shots will be fired on average and of those shots fired only 1 in 4 will strike either one of the combatants.


So - In the dead of night, awaking from your sleep and in terror, the ability to draw, aim, and fire will be severly limited. The beauty of the coach is it's simplicity of operation and the number of pellets per shot. If you are likely to only fire a few shots in self defence I'd rather fire two shots that held sixteen projectiles, than just three or four. Also according to the above stats, if you encounter a guy in your kitchen and he is intent on doing you harm you really have only a second before he's on top of you.

Have you ever short shucked a pump shotgun? I know I have, several times, this would be disasterous in this situation....it wouldn't happen with the sawed off...also if by chance you miss the punk with your pistol, shotgun, revolver or whatever, in the ensuing struggle he could conceivably wrestle the firearm away from you, which he could then proceed to pump all the remaining rounds into your sorry carcass..this would be much less likely with a sawed off as you'll likely get both rounds off before the dude gets to you, if you miss, well, you're on your own.

Jeff Cooper - the gun guru wrote this about the double:

A lady of our acquaintance, who lives alone, has asked us what sort of instrument is best for house defense in her case. To me the answer is easy: The "Lupara," a double-barreled 12-gauge shotgun with exposed hammers and short barrels. I understand the term Lupara is Sicilian and means approximately "wolf killer." Such a piece is enormously authoritative, it is easy to use, it requires minimal training in its management, and it may be left loaded and uncocked indefinitely on the closet shelf. The only precaution is to seal the muzzles with scotch tape or cotton wool to avoid the building of nests in the barrels by little varmints.

Such items are available from Rossi and Baikal, though you may have to hunt around for them at gun shows. Usually they are very reasonable in price.

Sorry - if you really look at the data the old double may not be as cool as the pump but it will get the job done, efficiently and effectively....

I have a norinco coach gun and I'd like to add that in case I used up both shots and cannot reload the gun, it only takes 2-3 seconds (or faster) to disassemble the gun and use the barrels as a club. Not that I would rely on it. But that gun, the norinco coach gun, is still a formidable weapon even without ammo.
 
If you ever have to use your firearm because of a home invasion expect to be in a court room for a long time....
from what Ive read , and some posts on this site. In a Canadian court it does make a difference what the gun looks like. Google it and you can find cases that lawyers recommend if ever being put in that situation to use the most plain hunting rifle/shotgun you have . I.E (wood stock) . Of course intent and all the other good things come in to play! but looks do seem to matter in
a Canadian court situation in *most* cases
 
In a Canadian court it does make a difference what the gun looks like. Google it and you can find cases that lawyers recommend if ever being put in that situation to use the most plain hunting rifle/shotgun you have . I.E (wood stock) .

So keep your factory stocks, all you tacticool CGN'ers! :p
 
Home defence is illegal in Kanada

they have to meet these 2 requirements though

1.cheap (<$400)
2.non restricted

lets hear your suggestions

BUT human life defence is legal
Mag fed shotgun {I use a valtro}
Combo trigger lock one number away
Bird shot in mag stored seperately { usually in my bath robe pocket }
Blinding flashlight
Police training or law degree

The bare minimum to survive death and prison.

Bird shot will kill [use lead,surgeons magnets cant get it] at room ranges . And in court - "but your honor - its only capable of killing pigeons not people"
Looks better than loading buck - besides - it wont go thru the goblin and hurt others.
OOPS - now that its public -I'll have to use my other strategy ---:eek:
 
Actually a Grizzly Mag 870 is the best home defense gun in Canada.

You can insert 5 round mag in half second. With tube feed 870 you would need several seconds to load it. - unless you store a loaded gun at home.

That makes huge difference.
 
Remington 870 Express Synthetic, 12ga utility gun with a 18" fixed Cylinder choke barrel, single front bead sight, non-glare matte finish, priced around $320.00
 
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I just got hold of a Wholesale Sports catalogue and saw that they have the Mossberg 590 with Ghost Rings and 8 or 9 round tubular magazine for $399. That caught my attention, since it has a few improvements over the standard 500 such as steel trigger group.

That said, there's lots of other good options out there. I have a 14" HP9 and will be getting my 12.5" Grizz with ghost rings shortly. A Sgt that I know sold me an older M870 Wingmaster with 2.75" chamber for $125 and later got me a 22" smooth slug barrel for the same (Come to think of it, I'd just have to throw on the shorter barrels to get someting looking alot like manbearpig's combo). I'm sure that similar deals can be found with a bit of looking, or you can just go the route of picking up a Maverick, Mossberg 500 or 870 Express HD. Some of these are available in combinations with short and long barrels for both home defence and hunting.

The Norc 97 clones (regular or Trench) might make for an interesting shotgun that could double for HD. I haven't tried mine yet....... and I'm already eyeing the 8.5" Grizzlies that are on their way. I guess there's quite a bit of nutz in this gunnut, lol!

Lots of options....lots of fun to be had,
 
Actually a Grizzly Mag 870 is the best home defense gun in Canada.

You can insert 5 round mag in half second. With tube feed 870 you would need several seconds to load it. - unless you store a loaded gun at home.

That makes huge difference.

I have to agree. A short barreled, mag fed shottie with ghost ring sights(maybe mod them for better use in the dark) makes a great firearm for this purpose. The price on the Dominion Arms pretty much seals the deal.
 
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I have to agree. A short barreled, mag fed shottie with ghost ring sights(maybe mod them for better use in the dark) makes a great firearm for this purpose. The price on the Dominion Arms pretty much seals the deal.

This would be my go-to gun
 
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This would be my go-to gun

Stop it I tell you! I've got a Grizzly 12.5" pump on the way and was already feeling tempted by the 8.5" model.......... Add a mag fed or the "Outlaw" and I'll become a cheap Chinese shotgun addict!

It's sure nice to have a selection to choose from!
 
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