Homemade cannon - is it legal???

Hi. I have a friend who wants to sell his homemade cannon. It currently fires a 1.5" ball but he plans to weld it up prior to selling.

My question is, is it currently legal to have and sell, and is it even legal to sell once rendered inoperable.

Does anyone know the value of such a thing? Chrome lined barrel, heavy wall pipe, etc.

Thanks

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So there you go. No answer as per usual, as on any of these forums, just a lot of guys who know everything, and can’t give you an absolute answer, as they don’t really know, but pretty well much just guess or give you an opinion or their interpretation of the law (I include my self in that comment).

Always remember, the super dooper, experts on everything GNS, know everything on every firearms subject, and we mortals know nothing.

Right, I’m off before the keyboard warriors start frothing at the mouth and clutching their hearts, that someone is questioning their lofty opinions!
 
Sigh…yes, some of us don’t pretend to know everything, so we check.

Now your next question: “who did you speak too??, they are wrong, and I am right!”

Wish I could know everything like you super, dooper, top scoring GNS.

Insults about me starting in: 1, 2, 3….GO!

And what did you check to confirm this was still legal? I think everyone in this thread would love to be able to put this to bed with some concrete evidence.

The whole point some of us are trying to make is that NOBODY really seems to know if these were effected by the OIC or not, and I've yet to see anything beyond anecdotal evidence that you or others haven't gotten in trouble, and that's simply not good enough to formulate a solid opinion on the legality of it.
 
There is no one to speak to in the case of this IOC...it is a "written and signed into record" document as a new regulation in firearm ownership that is dated May 1st 2020 and there is no ambiguity or dispensation or exemption for BP cannons and if there is no exemption written specifically into the document it just plain isn't there to be a "thing"...you dont need a conversation, you need to be able to understand the written English language.
 
I called the CFC they asked there legal team and was given the answer that if its ignition is by a fuse or wick its deemed antique and does not fall
under the OIC ruling and is perfectly legal to own .
Don't take my word for it call for yourself
 
I called the CFC they asked there legal team and was given the answer that if its ignition is by a fuse or wick its deemed antique and does not fall
under the OIC ruling and is perfectly legal to own .
Don't take my word for it call for yourself
I suggest anyone get that statement in writing if it would affect you.
 
I suggest anyone get that statement in writing if it would affect you.

This is correct and Dez I appreciate your effort and time contacting the CFC but again that is just another conversation, nothing referencing a countermand to the OIC or re-enforcing the C68 antique sections....and quite frankly it is a legal opinion of/from an entity that has a very dismal record from previous decisions...3 that I can think of right off, the legal opinion that caliber changes on antique pistols was allowable until it wasn't ...after hundreds had done a change-over. Then they did the same thing with the 80% AR lowers hundreds imported and thousands spent by the boys to "build their own" and then ...ooops we just decided that those lowers have an extra hole in them and are now pro-hibs, letters sent to all the boys. and same with the M1 carbines, barrel extensions & flash hiders were ok in the barrel length entry on the registration cert application...then oops again, sorry boys, barrel length only allowed.

These are legal orders made by the same outfit that just wants us to "take their word man were solid"...F$%^k them.
 
I called the CFC they asked there legal team and was given the answer that if its ignition is by a fuse or wick its deemed antique and does not fall
under the OIC ruling and is perfectly legal to own .
Don't take my word for it call for yourself

i wonder what happens when you say have a 1" bore blunderbuss that is flint fired
 
Don't buy it.
Let someone who appreciates it and will shoot it buy it.
If he welds it, may he be cursed with boils on his butt so he can sit there in pain and think about what he did.
 
well for what it is worth my interpretation on this is that the OIC has not changed the interpretation of what is and what is not a firearm

the OIC proscribes various firearms prohibited based on a definition of 'assault rifle' and some interpretation of what is capable of 10000 joules energy and 20mm bore, which also has some loose interpretations attached to measurements.

I therefore am making a bit of an assumption that since the OIC does not change the current law that the OIC only deals with what is currently defined as a firearm and anything that was not deemed to be a firearm is unaffected.

until the law is changed via C-21 and the parts defining what is and what is not a firearm I am making this assumption

But I am not a lawyer and my interpretation holds no legal standing. But if you buy me a beer and we have a good talk then my interpretation will still hold no legal standing, but thanks for the beer :)
 
I was lucky enough to get a reply from Ottawa reply from Ms Kellie Paquette, on the subject of the legality of cannons. "cannons are assessed against the definitions of firearm and antique firearm on a case by case basis. (snip snip) if the cannon meets the antique criteria (snip) then it would be exempt from the regulatory requirement of the Firearms Act. " Further found in other correspondence, if the firearm was used as a signaling device, it was also exempt. In other correspondence industrial guns like kiln guns are also exempt from the prohibition. Since large bore antiques were also commented on, early in the posts on the subject, my large bore antique by age long guns are exempt.

cheers mooncoon
 
with respect Moon... again no written declaration of exemption for antiques of any kind, just an "opinion".
As well Woodchopper...with respect...

I just spent 3 hrs trying to find a copy of the OIC as written in this forum and finally found one that is published in the Canadian Gazette entitled SOR/2020-96 May1 2020

The section pertaining to our topic here starts with sec's 95 & 96 and is also mentioned in the "regulations" part.

Sec. 95 heading; Any firearm with a bore diameter of 20mm or greater, other than one designed exclusively for the purpose of neutralizing explosive devises.

Sec 96 heading; Any firearm capable of discharging a projectile with a muzzle energy greater than 10,000 joules other than one refereed to in item 12, 13, 14, 20, 22 or 30 in this part or one designed exclusively for the purpose of neutralizing explosive devises.


there is reference to an exemption for neutralizing explosive devises but it certainly doesn't mention antiques or fuse fired anywhere.

Later on in that same document under "Regulatory Impact Analysis Statement"

: Governor in Council has the authority to prescribe a firearm or DEVISE in accordance with the definition of "prohibited firearm and "prohibited devise".

Another pertinent paragraph; "Also included are two new categories of firearms that exceed safe civilian use. These are characterized by following attributes: a 20mm bore or greater and the capacity to discharge a projectile with muzzle energy of greater than 10,000 joules.

Down a bit further there is a chart as follows;

Previous classification of newly prohibited firearms categories

Categories Previous

1. firearms with bore of 20mm or larger non-restricted, a few restricted

2. Firearms capable of discharging a projectile with a muzzle energy greater than 10,000 non-restricted



There just is no exemption for antiques or fuse fired anywhere in this document no mater how the powers that be try to avoid the truth.
 
Sec 96 heading; Any firearm capable of discharging a projectile with a muzzle energy greater than 10,000 joules other than one refereed to in item 12, 13, 14, 20, 22 or 30 in this part or one designed exclusively for the purpose of neutralizing explosive devises.
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What is exempted under the items 12 through 30 ? Also there are at least a few "industrial" guns such as kiln guns which fire oversize projectiles as well as pre 1898 cannons which while used for display or firing blanks but are capable of firing projectiles and would otherwise be exempt

cheers mooncoon
 
What is exempted under the items 12 through 30 ? Also there are at least a few "industrial" guns such as kiln guns which fire oversize projectiles as well as pre 1898 cannons which while used for display or firing blanks but are capable of firing projectiles and would otherwise be exempt

cheers mooncoon

I tried to find 12 through 30 and what they referred to but couldn't find anything but the reality of them in this conversation is mute as there was no reference to these sections in the 20 MM ban and the cannon in this thread (and most others of interest) are caught in that section 95 ban so the 10,000 joules ban is redundant in this context.

As well, the age of a cannon or usage as a signal DEVISE is also redundant because of the wording used...you use the words yourself..."CAPABLE of firing projectiles" and there certainly is not any exemption except for the explosive devise neutralizer.
 
Fingers284, I see your interpretation on the OIC but still hold that an OIC cannot change legislation, and therefore the existing interpretation on what is and what is not a firearm stands and the OIC is only able to affect regulations on existing laws so regulations pertaining to what is a firearm as prescribed by the existing laws.

If C21 changes the existing laws then perhaps what was deemed a non-firearm will be deemed to be a firearm and with additional regulations and prohibitions but until then nothing has changed

again all caveats to my legal opinions apply.

oh and beer, needs beer
 
Our opinions do seem to continue to disagree LOl.

OIZC's have been legal documents in Canadian law long before our OIC came up and until they adjudicated into oblivion it is dated may 1 2020 and the firearms act I think was Dec 1998...so until this OIC is nullified in court, it is legally relevant in its sections over the C68 act.

That is my "opinion "anyways and like I have said before in this thread and all others since may 1 2020 that ask the same question "please prove me wrong with a judicial or govt signed document that does prove the antique status of any fuse fired cannon regardless of age.

As for the beer, I wont pay shipping for a case of beer but will absolutely provide a bottle of whiskey to anybody that can produce the documents
 
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