Homestead range
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Gunnerlove
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It is easy to blame the APRA.........they went from being a full DCRA affiliated PRA with provincial reach to being a single location, under the same name, claiming the same history and privileges, private range.
As for not being the designated (and therefore legitimate) PRA, according to the DCRA for 2014 the provincially appointed vice-president for Alberta was F. Lalear, and the PRA designated member to DCRA council was A. Tikkanen.
That must be a mistake however as the "The facts are that the APRA ceased to be involved with the DCRA about 5 years ago. APRA is not the designated PRA for Alberta".
The DCRA must be wrong however because that would mean the APRA is the DCRA affiliate which means the APRA is and has been sitting on the authority to book military ranges (the keys to the ranges I spoke of). The fact that participation might be very limited and only conducted so APRA members are eligible to compete at other PRA/DCRA events and be members of DCRA teams if they choose is still participation.
rpollock I await your rebuttal to my pathetic and ill-informed opinion.
As for not being the designated (and therefore legitimate) PRA, according to the DCRA for 2014 the provincially appointed vice-president for Alberta was F. Lalear, and the PRA designated member to DCRA council was A. Tikkanen.
That must be a mistake however as the "The facts are that the APRA ceased to be involved with the DCRA about 5 years ago. APRA is not the designated PRA for Alberta".
The DCRA must be wrong however because that would mean the APRA is the DCRA affiliate which means the APRA is and has been sitting on the authority to book military ranges (the keys to the ranges I spoke of). The fact that participation might be very limited and only conducted so APRA members are eligible to compete at other PRA/DCRA events and be members of DCRA teams if they choose is still participation.
rpollock I await your rebuttal to my pathetic and ill-informed opinion.
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Frank may very well be the DCRA appointed delegate for Alberta, this has no bearing on today's APRA. Frank knows APRA is not the PRA and so does DCRA. Frank was the one who lobbied to sever the relationship. Why the charade continues is anyone's guess, maybe optics? I sat through the board motion brought forward by Frank to sever the APRA/DCRA relationship, and it passed. Done deal. Sorry but this is how it went down. I will re-iterate, APRA does not host matches or organize matches. Individual range stewards administer all matches and affiliations, your beef is with the DCRA for not appointing a new PRA, and give them the so called keys.
Ive been to the Homestead public range many times, so far my experience has been great there.... I mostly shoot on private land, but Its nice to shoot at that public range occasionally and see what other people are shooting! garbage can be an eye sore there, they have a large dump bin there.... every time I go out I should bring a wheel barrow and clean some garbage between ceasefires :/ I bet it would only take a few people doing this a week and the range would remain decently clean.
Gunnerlove
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I just read the DCRA bylaws and it makes sense now.
It is pretty much a have their cake and eat it too relationship that the APRA has with the DCRA.
As there is no affiliated PRA in Alberta APRA/Homestead members can join the DCRA for cheap and participate in DCRA and other PRA matches those years that they want to travel out of province. If there was an affiliated PRA in Alberta they would also need to join that PRA in order to be able to join the DCRA. Kind of like how I can't opt out of the BCRA and just join the DCRA.
Am I pretty close?
It is pretty much a have their cake and eat it too relationship that the APRA has with the DCRA.
As there is no affiliated PRA in Alberta APRA/Homestead members can join the DCRA for cheap and participate in DCRA and other PRA matches those years that they want to travel out of province. If there was an affiliated PRA in Alberta they would also need to join that PRA in order to be able to join the DCRA. Kind of like how I can't opt out of the BCRA and just join the DCRA.
Am I pretty close?
I would say your close, except there is no relationship between the APRA and DCRA. Not even a have your cake and eat it too relationship.
Just an FYI there are about 1000 members under the APRA member clubs, 40 of which are AFRA fullbore members. You can see why the individual clubs voted to take over full stewardship of the individual ranges rather than be tied to the old APRA/DCRA relationship, it was the tail wagging the dog. It simply did not work as the other clubs grew in size. At this point the APRA became a landlord and range developer only. Individual clubs are now responsible for what goes on behind their gates, including hosting matches, sanctioning affiliations, range improvements, safety, membership drives etc.
Just to put some more context on this, there is no such thing as an APRA membership anymore. Each club member receives a membership to his club only, and a portion goes to APRA for future range building or improvements, and the public range upkeep, which in these last few years is in excess of $40,000 a year. Anybody who thinks the APRA gets a free ride on these ranges is kidding themselves, then throw in the thousands of hours of volunteer time each year and you can see what it truly costs to keep these ranges going.
Just an FYI there are about 1000 members under the APRA member clubs, 40 of which are AFRA fullbore members. You can see why the individual clubs voted to take over full stewardship of the individual ranges rather than be tied to the old APRA/DCRA relationship, it was the tail wagging the dog. It simply did not work as the other clubs grew in size. At this point the APRA became a landlord and range developer only. Individual clubs are now responsible for what goes on behind their gates, including hosting matches, sanctioning affiliations, range improvements, safety, membership drives etc.
Just to put some more context on this, there is no such thing as an APRA membership anymore. Each club member receives a membership to his club only, and a portion goes to APRA for future range building or improvements, and the public range upkeep, which in these last few years is in excess of $40,000 a year. Anybody who thinks the APRA gets a free ride on these ranges is kidding themselves, then throw in the thousands of hours of volunteer time each year and you can see what it truly costs to keep these ranges going.
The APRA being the recognized PRA is the very premise behind the approved lease hold in the first place...
I'd wager a bet the Fullbore group no doubt still receives and issues the annual allotment of medals as well.
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Great idea, you should take that up with the DCRA and AFRA, a simple phone call or email will sort that out for you. How the DCRA administers its PRA's is of no concern to anyone at the APRA. We have 960 other enthusiasts using the ranges, not just 40.
