How africans hunt ? sorry ill stick to the Canadian way
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I agree we are decendants of successfull hunters I just find it unfoturnate that some people haven't evolved past prehistoric man. They seem to have no trouble finding guns to kill each other or white land owners when the see fit. I am also sure that my decandants knew that the head of an elephant was not the ''vitals" when you have a spear in your hand.
P.S Starving my a$$ you won't see my $ making a trip to africa, where I come from we call that "natural selection".
I've seent hat video wiht the spear chuckers many times.
While watching the animals fight for life while suffering multiple spear hits is perhaps not for the faint of heart, it's simply reality. None of those guys have acess to a 375 H&H and they gotta eat.
I personally would be getting a huge rush, and if presented with the opportunity to hunt alongside those spearmen, I would take it in a heartbeat. I doubt there is much in the hunting world that compares to squaring off against an elephant, armed only with your spears.
While watching the animals fight for life while suffering multiple spear hits is perhaps not for the faint of heart, it's simply reality. None of those guys have acess to a 375 H&H and they gotta eat.
I personally would be getting a huge rush, and if presented with the opportunity to hunt alongside those spearmen, I would take it in a heartbeat. I doubt there is much in the hunting world that compares to squaring off against an elephant, armed only with your spears.
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While we certainly have progressed to more humane and effective methods of killing game,I don't beleive we can put ourselves on some "holier than though" pedestal when we kill game with rifles for sport as opposed to using spears to kill for survival.Like GH,perhaps I'd deserve to get trampled for engaging in such an activity merely for the adrenaline rush,ego trip and sport of it,however,that gentleman,is pure,raw hunting right there,the same way it's been done for milleniums.
Just thought I'd pipe up.
A lot of you were saying that they are 'doing this out of necessity'... which I don't believe is entirely true.
Watch the original video the (one first posted). Take special notice at 2:34 minutes in, the one where the natives are chucking spears at the Elephant's face. At 2:35 you can see a puff of gun smoke, and the Elephant drops suddenly. Obviously it was shot, and the only conclusion I can draw from that particular example is that they were spearing the Elephant for fun. The face isn't a good area to strike with a spear, and they are obviously smart enough to know that.
If I was there I'd have half the mind to shoot those sick f*cks... but I guess I'm just more 'civilized' than that. It was painful to see that Elephant pull out the spears with its trunk and try to throw them back... too bad he didn't get one or two of them before he was shot.
Even if these 'men' are doing this out of necessity, they sure do suck at it. Even cavemen had half the mind to corral random herds and spook them into running off of cliffs, or picking one animal and dispatching it quickly, as the longer it lives the more at risk the hunters were to severe injury. A broken bone can be fixed easily today, it could have been life ending back then.
A lot of you were saying that they are 'doing this out of necessity'... which I don't believe is entirely true.
Watch the original video the (one first posted). Take special notice at 2:34 minutes in, the one where the natives are chucking spears at the Elephant's face. At 2:35 you can see a puff of gun smoke, and the Elephant drops suddenly. Obviously it was shot, and the only conclusion I can draw from that particular example is that they were spearing the Elephant for fun. The face isn't a good area to strike with a spear, and they are obviously smart enough to know that.
If I was there I'd have half the mind to shoot those sick f*cks... but I guess I'm just more 'civilized' than that. It was painful to see that Elephant pull out the spears with its trunk and try to throw them back... too bad he didn't get one or two of them before he was shot.
Even if these 'men' are doing this out of necessity, they sure do suck at it. Even cavemen had half the mind to corral random herds and spook them into running off of cliffs, or picking one animal and dispatching it quickly, as the longer it lives the more at risk the hunters were to severe injury. A broken bone can be fixed easily today, it could have been life ending back then.
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Possibly....I wasnt' there. But a spear through the eye of an animal might put it down fast, no?
Not too many cliffs on the plains of Africa, looks like. And a volley of spears was probably the fastest way to kill a single animal.
A couple of things:
1. These are African natives doing what they've been doing since the dawn of man. The only exception being that any metal in the spears (tips) would have not been around until Europeans gave it to them. But stone or bone spears would work just fine too.
2. The video shows exactly how the North American Native would have hunted bison and moose etc. Prior to the Spanish there were no horses in North America. Strays from their herds became the mustangs we know today. When the original treaties were written, I believe these videos express the spirit they were written with. Natives hunting traditionally for food to feed their families. Using their primitive weapons they might need to be allowed to hunt whenever (24 hours per day) or wherever (happened upon game) to be successful. But with all the whiteman's gadgets of today they should be restricted a little more. The Great White Mother that signed those treaties could in no way have conceived that one day ATV's, spotlights, and rifles that can reach out to 700+ yards would ever exist.
1. These are African natives doing what they've been doing since the dawn of man. The only exception being that any metal in the spears (tips) would have not been around until Europeans gave it to them. But stone or bone spears would work just fine too.
2. The video shows exactly how the North American Native would have hunted bison and moose etc. Prior to the Spanish there were no horses in North America. Strays from their herds became the mustangs we know today. When the original treaties were written, I believe these videos express the spirit they were written with. Natives hunting traditionally for food to feed their families. Using their primitive weapons they might need to be allowed to hunt whenever (24 hours per day) or wherever (happened upon game) to be successful. But with all the whiteman's gadgets of today they should be restricted a little more. The Great White Mother that signed those treaties could in no way have conceived that one day ATV's, spotlights, and rifles that can reach out to 700+ yards would ever exist.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1jyaDlJjl0&feature=related
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the spears i dont see anything wrong with thats how they have hunted for thousands of years. stay with what works.
the zebra thing at the beginning is well. just plain fcked up.
what i cant see is why someone would want to kill an elephant.
the zebra thing at the beginning is well. just plain fcked up.
what i cant see is why someone would want to kill an elephant.
Don't forget crop/habitat damage.Elephants are a terrible nuisance in areas where the bunnyhuggers have won the battle and they aren't hunted.They'll eat everything in site and literally starve themselves out,which is why they then need to be slaughtered.The videos of these elephant culls are just that,the culling of overpopulated elephants,however the bunny-huggers use such footage to tug on heartstrings and solicit funds,misrepresenting these cull hunts as the norm for bloodthirsty sporthunters.BOOHOO.....PLEASE...STOP THE SLAUGHTER!!!Fknidiots!!If they hadn't stopped the responsible management and hunting in the first place,there would be no need for the culls.
Did y'all take notice how deep those spars were penetrating? The tips look to be about 8 to 10 inches long. Those spears weren't going much deeper than the length of the tip. To kill an elephant I kinda think you'd need to drive the spear in about 3 feet to get to the vital organs so it dies fast. I think they were just pissin off that pachyderm til there was so much blood loss and the animal going into shock(?) finally did it in.
To put this into perspective...
Imagine you and a dozen of your buddies, head out in the bush armed with spears.
Track and find a good sized grizzly.
Attack.
I imagine you will get a bit of an adrenaline rush. Or you will piss your pants and run.
Imagine you and a dozen of your buddies, head out in the bush armed with spears.
Track and find a good sized grizzly.
Attack.
I imagine you will get a bit of an adrenaline rush. Or you will piss your pants and run.
Don't forget crop/habitat damage.Elephants are a terrible nuisance in areas where the bunnyhuggers have won the battle and they aren't hunted.They'll eat everything in site and literally starve themselves out,which is why they then need to be slaughtered.The videos of these elephant culls are just that,the culling of overpopulated elephants,however the bunny-huggers use such footage to tug on heartstrings and solicit funds,misrepresenting these cull hunts as the norm for bloodthirsty sporthunters.BOOHOO.....PLEASE...STOP THE SLAUGHTER!!!Fknidiots!!If they hadn't stopped the responsible management and hunting in the first place,there would be no need for the culls.
Actually, vegetation can suffer even more when Elephants aren't present:
I don't get why so many people assume that man needs to regulate nature. It has been doing this for itself for millions of years, following boom and bust cycles. What happens when all of their habitat is gone and the Elephants have nowhere to go? Too bad so sad?
It is true that Elephant overpopulation can devestate an area, but this is only a frequent occurence in certain National Parks because it's the only real habitat left. Elephants can't be protected from poachers outside the parks. So some culls in National parks become necessary, however, this is a problem of our making.
If it weren't for those 'bunny huggers' as you so lovingly call them, the federal parks in places like Kenya wouldn't have the funding to be able to control the poachers or the number of trophy hunters and the Elephants would be extinct by now. Unregulated hunting and poaching of the kind seen in the video is far from what I would call 'responsible management', and it is only because of conservation efforts that the Elephant population has stabilized and has been growing slowly since the 90's.
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Man tries to manag wildlife to avoid the boom or bust cycles....Since man *IS* part of nature, anyway...
But you are correct...Habitat destruction is a far greater threat to wildlife than a hunters bullet ever will be...
But you are correct...Habitat destruction is a far greater threat to wildlife than a hunters bullet ever will be...
Very true. Slash and burn agriculture and rampant de-forestation do more to de-populate species than anything else.
When there are only small pockets of useable habitat left, the largest land animals, Elephants especially, become a part of the problem as they concentrate their grazing to a smaller and smaller area, giving the land no time to re-generate as it did before.
It's not an assumption,it's a fact.The balance of nature has been basically permanantly upset by man.Loss of habitat,removal of predators etc.,it will never be the same unless man becomes extinct.
