How come I don't get nuthin???

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One of the members had this item listed on an ad a couple days ago as a Cdn FN stock:
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I didn't win the race and I'll assume it went to someone else who recognized what it was for:
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Congrats to the lucky buyer. It is rare to see stocks for an EX1 in any condition, but in brand new condition is especially rare. :(
I would drown my sorrows, but I can't even do that. Only coke or water out here.
 
The seller said it came out of Cdn packaging. The stock on my EX has had the top portion nearest the rear sight grafted and repaired, so the contours may not be perfect. Unfortunately I was not home to check my EX1 closer so am unable to check the real thing against some of the sellers photos.

Since the EX1 was just an early FN commercial model, I may be able to find a replacement stock from a source with early FN stuff.
 
OK, maybe some FN guru will have other information, but from what I've seen, even the early EX1 & EX2 were stocked in black walnut as were all the production ones, domestic stocks of walnut being as plentiful as they were. I know that wartime expediency made birch stocks common on the Lee Enfields. I've NEVER seen european beech stocks on any production Canadian military arm. I've seen in on Mauser style rifles from Sweden, Czech and the like, but never our own. I won't dispute that it came out of Canadian packaging, not having seen it first hand, but there exists the possibility that it was packaged by someone knowing the value of Canadian FN wood and hoping to deceive some unwary buyer. As I said, maybe someone knows for a fact that my conjecture is wrong, but to me, that stock screams "european". Or, and something just occured to me, what if a pattern stock was shipped to Long Branch as a template. IF that was the case, than that would be a very rare item indeed. Anyone else have a opinion?
 
LawrenceN said:
OK, maybe some FN guru will have other information, but from what I've seen, even the early EX1 & EX2 were stocked in black walnut as were all the production ones, domestic stocks of walnut being as plentiful as they were. I know that wartime expediency made birch stocks common on the Lee Enfields. I've NEVER seen european beech stocks on any production Canadian military arm. I've seen in on Mauser style rifles from Sweden, Czech and the like, but never our own. I won't dispute that it came out of Canadian packaging, not having seen it first hand, but there exists the possibility that it was packaged by someone knowing the value of Canadian FN wood and hoping to deceive some unwary buyer. As I said, maybe someone knows for a fact that my conjecture is wrong, but to me, that stock screams "european". Or, and something just occured to me, what if a pattern stock was shipped to Long Branch as a template. IF that was the case, than that would be a very rare item indeed. Anyone else have a opinion?
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I will bow to your superior knowledge on wood and it's useage. I doubt very much that Cdn Arsenals would have bothered to make any spare parts for these rifles, as they were relegated to cadet drill purpose and airborne jump rifles after the trials. I remember back in the 80s that some of these rifles came in to the Base Maintenance weapons shop where I was a young private. The weapons techs tore them down, put some of the parts back into the system, and threw most of the parts into the big BFI bin out back. I passed some of these on to a friend with an FN at the time, but I have lost track of him over the years.
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I note that the existing stock on mine has the wood come up behind the rear sight higher than the replacement stock shown. This area was repaired on my stock mind you, so may not be to the original proportions. I tried to google photos of a Cdn EX1, but there really is nothing out there. I also note my stock has a bit of a recess around the upper portion where it attaches to the receiver. This may well be an indicator that the stock photographes, which I missed out on, is an Isreali or other nation stock as some guys have suggested. Thats starting to make me feel better.

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I was going to mention that the rifle bears a Cdn Arsenals inspection stamp, but that stamp was used for anything from gloves to planes, and even if it was CAL, they may have been contracted to do the arsenal level inspection of the FN made rifles. Hard to tell from the photo, but the letters might be COD for Cdn Ordnance depot.
 
The Royal Canadian Ordnance Corps Museum at Longue Pointe garrison in Montreal had a number of Cdn prototype FNs in their collection. I have'nt visited the museum for many yrs so don't know if these are still there. I recall talking to the museum custodian back in the late 1970s and he was quite pleased that he had the Montreal Police in to electro-pencil just about every weapon in the inventory as a precaution against theft. I told him that this was'nt necessary as every weapon had a unique serial number to start with.
 
How come you get nuthin? dude you got an FN for god sakes! All I have is an AR15 poodle gun that I can only shoot at the range.

:p
 
purple said:
The Royal Canadian Ordnance Corps Museum at Longue Pointe garrison in Montreal had a number of Cdn prototype FNs in their collection. I have'nt visited the museum for many yrs so don't know if these are still there. I recall talking to the museum custodian back in the late 1970s and he was quite pleased that he had the Montreal Police in to electro-pencil just about every weapon in the inventory as a precaution against theft. I told him that this was'nt necessary as every weapon had a unique serial number to start with.
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I hadn't heard of this museum before. Does it still exist? Does it display much of it's weapon collection? I'll have to look it up next time I am through Montreal.
 
The RCOC Museum comes up on a Google search,so it must still be operational. When I was actively helping out there while posted to FMCHQ in the late 1970s all small arms were on display. Last time I visited was probably 15-16 yrs ago. the curator was a retired WO who had served with me in times past. His name comes up in the google data.
The prime units in Longue Point are 25CFSD and 202 Wksp. Either of them may have details on operating hours.
 
The Ordnance Corps home station is Longue Pointe. They have/had a Centurion, an East German T72, several towed artillery pieces and some antique guns on punky rotted carriages. The collection was as well organized as a volunteer museum can do, several private donations and service guns, complete with the odd mislabelled item. Their uniformed manequins were interesting too.
 
hey R , the stock looks like the israeli heavy barrel stock , notice the angular cut on the top part of the buttplate?
 
Curtton said:
hey R , the stock looks like the israeli heavy barrel stock , notice the angular cut on the top part of the buttplate?
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I had a look at that area too, and compared it to the back of the photo below. Too close to tell. I have saved the sellers other photos of the bottom of the stock where the tail from the lower receiver attaches. I'll compare them when I get home in April. All a moot point now mind you, as the stock will be with it's new owner now.
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There is an EX stock somewhere out there waiting for me. I'll just have to be patient.
 
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