How common is the HK P7 way up north?

minimouse said:
With a good holster, the P7 is very comfortable to carry, even if its frame is not made from recycled plastic soda pop bottles. And the grip is not overly long--it is still a compact pistol.
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Honestly, P7 single stack grip (and therefore) trigger reach is surprisingly long for a pistol this size. Those with smaller hands who are thinking about a double stack M13 would be wise to try it first.
 
minimouse said:
With a good holster, the P7 is very comfortable to carry, even if its frame is not made from recycled plastic soda pop bottles. And the grip is not overly long--it is still a compact pistol.
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A good holster is important but for concealment so is a shorter grip.
The PSP was not designed for concealment. Can it be concealed ? Sure.
Is it one of the better guns for concealment? Not in my opinion.
Its a safe,simple to use , reliable and accurate gun.
 
minimouse said:
I rate the P7 PSP as the finest concealed carry 9mm pistol ever made. I've never had the pleasure of shooting a M13, but I would love to try one.
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Only tried it once, I love it, and whoever was talking about the small hands thing, I have some comically small hands, if I can handle the M13 almost anyone can. The squeeze cocker gives the illusion of it being a long lop on the grip but not really once it is squeezed it's fine, from what I understand a m8 would have the same mag release style as the m13, and I prefer that to the psp heel release, if it were to be a ccw option. I think there are better ccw options out there now. If I could support a m13 I would be rocking one now. Sadly the pistol is unobtanium, parts and mags even more so.
 
minimouse said:
I'm wondering how common the HK P7 is in Canada. They were relatively rare in the United States (primarily because of their high cost), but then there was the great German police surplus pistol dump a few years back and the States were (temporarily, as it turned out) flooded with affordable surplus P7s. I was able to pick up a few before the flood dried up (i.e., before the prices on used ones climbed back over the four figure mark), but I wonder if the German police bounty extended to Canada. So, anybody want to talk about their P7 experience(s)?
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The rarest by far is the P7M8 Jubilee, there were only 500 made, first 450 were for USA export, the other 50 were supposed to stay in europe but since our HK importer buys from europe we got some of the 50 that were not supposed to leave germany. They were selling for double or tripple the price just days after purchasing them new.
 
Can-down said:
A good holster is important but for concealment so is a shorter grip.
The PSP was not designed for concealment. Can it be concealed ? Sure.
Is it one of the better guns for concealment? Not in my opinion.
Its a safe,simple to use , reliable and accurate gun.
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The PSP was designed by HK to compete for a contract offered by the West German police for a new service sidearm. Part of the design criteria for the P7 was that one pistol could be used by both uniformed police officers using traditional service holsters and by plain clothes officers who would need a pistol that could readily be concealed. So, yes, the P7 was designed for concealment. In this age of micro-pistols (few of which approach the level of reliability offered by the P7), few remember that when it was introduced, the P7 was approximately the same size as the Walther PP, then a popular choice for concealed carry. It is also approx. the same size as the Glock 19, another popular concealed carry gun. It is a big pistol by no means. And, yes, it is safe, simple to use, reliable and accurate.
 
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While on the subject of concealed carry guns, let me pose a different question: how common is legalized concealed carry in Canada?
 
minimouse said:
The PSP was designed by HK to compete for a contract offered by the West German police for a new service sidearm. Part of the design criteria for the P7 was that one pistol could be used by both uniformed police officers using traditional service holsters and by plain clothes officers who would need a pistol that could readily be concealed. So, yes, the P7 was designed for concealment. In this age of micro-pistols (few of which approach the level of reliability offered by the P7), few remember that when it was introduced, the P7 was approximately the same size as the Walther PP, then a popular choice for concealed carry. It is also approx. the same size as the Glock 19, another popular concealed carry gun. It is a big pistol by no means. And, yes, it is safe, simple to use, reliable and accurate.
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I guess that's why I only saw them dangling from belts in Europe back in the early 80's..... must have missed the concealed ones due to their concealment or perhaps I wasn't in tune enough to notice as a youngster..... :)

Seriously though reading your statement above it sounds more like it was designed dual purpose but as you say with a good holster even a 1911 5 inch can be carried concealed.
 
Pretty similar to the glock 19 as you say,
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Wow, I had little idea how little freedom you guys in Canada have! Yes, I do carry a P7 concealed, everyday, usually in a Milt Sparks Versa Max II holster, or a Kramer horsehide #3, with a couple of spare mags in a kydex mag carrier. I have carried one concealed for the last four years (before that I carried either the Browning Hi Power or a 5 inch 1911 in .45 ACP). The state I live in has passed open carry legislation, a boon for those of us who continue to carry concealed, because we no longer have to worry about inadvertently "flashing" our CCW (which is a legitimate worry in my windy state). Also, I know that the P7 and the G19 are of similar size because I have compared the P7 I carry with a G19 for sale in the shop I work at. I do still prefer the P7, even though the G19 carries more ammo (15 rds in my free state).
 
Congrats minimouse. Don't take your freedom for granted. There are lots of good and bad things about living in Canada. Not having easy access to CCW and some of our idiotic gun laws are some of the bads!
Going from a BHP and 1911 to a P7 sure makes concealability a whole heck easier!
 
Still alive said:
Congrats minimouse. Don't take your freedom for granted. There are lots of good and bad things about living in Canada. Not having easy access to CCW and some of our idiotic gun laws are some of the bads!
Going from a BHP and 1911 to a P7 sure makes concealability a whole heck easier!
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No worries, I don't take my freedom for granted, it was too hard won for that! As with the P7, the concealability of either the Hi Power or the 1911 depends upon the holster, but both carried well in the right holster. The H-P in particular is well regarded as an easy pistol to conceal in the US.
 
minimouse said:
Wow, I had little idea how little freedom you guys in Canada have! Yes, I do carry a P7 concealed, everyday, usually in a Milt Sparks Versa Max II holster, or a Kramer horsehide #3, with a couple of spare mags in a kydex mag carrier. I have carried one concealed for the last four years (before that I carried either the Browning Hi Power or a 5 inch 1911 in .45 ACP). The state I live in has passed open carry legislation, a boon for those of us who continue to carry concealed, because we no longer have to worry about inadvertently "flashing" our CCW (which is a legitimate worry in my windy state). Also, I know that the P7 and the G19 are of similar size because I have compared the P7 I carry with a G19 for sale in the shop I work at. I do still prefer the P7, even though the G19 carries more ammo (15 rds in my free state).
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It's not all bad up here,(or all good down there) but when it comes to firearms rights the USA is number one by a long shot.
The United States of America is the only country on earth that has the right to bear arms written in it's constitution.
 
minimouse said:
No worries, I don't take my freedom for granted, it was too hard won for that! As with the P7, the concealability of either the Hi Power or the 1911 depends upon the holster, but both carried well in the right holster. The H-P in particular is well regarded as an easy pistol to conceal in the US.
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There are really no unconcealable handguns within reason. The right holster, carry position, physique and clothing will do the trick.
I assume you are from a humid sounthern state. What do you do to protect your P7 from humidity and sweat from everyday carry? Also, what is your preferred carry ammo?
 
minimouse said:
No worries, I don't take my freedom for granted, it was too hard won for that! As with the P7, the concealability of either the Hi Power or the 1911 depends upon the holster, but both carried well in the right holster. The H-P in particular is well regarded as an easy pistol to conceal in the US.
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And size of person concealing. A bigger person like a 6ft6 280lb football player can conceal a full size much better than a 5ft tall 100lb cheerleader.
 
Still alive said:
I assume you are from a humid southern state. What do you do to protect your P7 from humidity and sweat from everyday carry? Also, what is your preferred carry ammo?
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I live in a semi-arid part of the country (just a bit north of Texas), so not much humidity, but very hot temps in the summer. I do have to wipe the pistol down often, and I use fine steel wool to clean up any rust that does take hold. For ammo, I like 124 gr +P, jacketed hollow points from Remington or Speer.
 
minimouse said:
I live in a semi-arid part of the country (just a bit north of Texas), so not much humidity, but very hot temps in the summer. I do have to wipe the pistol down often, and I use fine steel wool to clean up any rust that does take hold. For ammo, I like 124 gr +P, jacketed hollow points from Remington or Speer.
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+P ammo from such a short barrel with the gas system definitely maximizes the potential of the gun and the caliber. Good choice! 115gr +P may be better due to the slightly higher velocity? Not a debate or concern us Canucks have to worry about too often!
 
Still alive said:
+P ammo from such a short barrel with the gas system definitely maximizes the potential of the gun and the caliber. Good choice! 115gr +P may be better due to the slightly higher velocity? Not a debate or concern us Canucks have to worry about too often!
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The gas system on the P7 was specifically designed to function with 124 grain NATO-spec ball ammo, which is supposed to be loaded to about the same pressure as (if not slightly higher than) +P ammo. The gun will function with virtually any 115 or 124 gr round, of course, std or +P, but I choose the 124 gr +P load because it is most similar to what the gun has designed to work with.
 
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