How do Bayonnetes work?

Calum said:
I've tried this with whole sides of Beef, and trust me a fuller/blood groove makes a difference. Over all the best non fuller blade was a kris/flame blade...very slick, and very mean looking. :D


Man, I'd love to come to a bar-b-que at your place, FIX BAYONETS EVERYONE, CHARGE THAT ROAST!:runaway:
 
Only at Gunnutz - 42 posts.

I have learned so much. I always thought that you just attached it to the end of your gun and then shoved the pointy end into the enemy.
 
ian_in_vic said:
Since you asked, spreads the ribs apart to allow the blade to be withdrawn (releases the vacuum). Reduces necessity for 4).

Someone told me he talked to a Canadian WWII vet about using the pig sticker in combat against the Germans. He was told they stabbed them and then shot the rifle to clear the body off of the spike...
 
Coyote Ugly said:
When the toilet is flushed, why does the water rotate clockwise in one hemisphere, and in the other hemisphere, the water goes counter-clockwise down the drain? :confused:

Coriolis effect...
I read that during the Sydney Olympics, reporters from NA tried flushing the toilets to see if the water rotated counter clockwise in Australia, and it didn't...cue the Twilight Zone music...
 
cantom said:
Someone told me he talked to a Canadian WWII vet about using the pig sticker in combat against the Germans. He was told they stabbed them and then shot the rifle to clear the body off of the spike...

I've seen that being done in movies, I thought it was just because it was a movie they did that. Learnt something new today. :)

Dimitri
 
cantom said:
Coriolis effect...
I read that during the Sydney Olympics, reporters from NA tried flushing the toilets to see if the water rotated counter clockwise in Australia, and it didn't...cue the Twilight Zone music...

A toilet is forcing the flow with pressure. let the water out a drain (like a sink) and you'll see this happening
 
woodchopper said:
:D Obviously you need to come to Haggisfest where I can show you some of the finer points of bayonet work, including cooking. :D


Haggisfest? You have parties around sheepstomachs in alberta? Man, you don't get out much. Mind you it beats Scumtario, where you need the bayonet to walk through downtown TO safley. Heck, it's still worth driving out just to bayonet dinner......:D
 
Secondary question: In Band of Brothers, one of the veterans tells a rookie "Don't mount your bayonet... it won't shoot as straight" or something to that effect.

True? I'm guessing yes, but to what degree?
 
cantom said:
He also said the Canadians kept their bayonets fixed, unlike others...

Neat, I didnt know that thanks though once I get a No.4 and shoot in period games with the gear I'm slowly buying up I'll keep my bayonet fixed. Thanks agian for the information! :dancingbanana:

canucklehead said:
True? I'm guessing yes, but to what degree?

Actually I've heard some types of rifles are more accurate with the Bayonet. Because of the barrel harmonics. :eek:

Dimitri
 
Dimitri said:
Neat, I didnt know that thanks though once I get a No.4 and shoot in period games with the gear I'm slowly buying up I'll keep my bayonet fixed. Thanks agian for the information! :dancingbanana:



Actually I've heard some types of rifles are more accurate with the Bayonet. Because of the barrel harmonics. :eek:

Dimitri

Hopefully someone else who knows for sure can confirm what I said...it's just hearsay, fortunately I'm not old enough to know for sure.
 
Anything added or removed from a rifle barrel will effect the harmonics, I'm sure the rifle designers kept this in mind. :)
 
cantom said:
Someone told me he talked to a Canadian WWII vet about using the pig sticker in combat against the Germans. He was told they stabbed them and then shot the rifle to clear the body off of the spike...

That would be what you do if the a)Fuller b)twist c)kick/knee don't work. Usually bayonets weren't used because you had tons of ammo, rather because you didn't.

PS - the above came from my great (great) Uncle Bill, a true soldier of the Empire 1919-1938 + 1939-1947, one of many unknown heroes, and perhaps a somewhat bad influence on an impressionable young mind.
 
ian_in_vic said:
That would be what you do if the a)Fuller b)twist c)kick/knee don't work. Usually bayonets weren't used because you had tons of ammo, rather because you didn't.

PS - the above came from my great (great) Uncle Bill, a true soldier of the Empire 1919-1938 + 1939-1947, one of many unknown heroes, and perhaps a somewhat bad influence on an impressionable young mind.

All three of those would fail in an uncommon occurance. The bayonets could get stuck in the ribs of the victim, either by the blade biting into the bone itself, going through the cartillage of the Sternum and getting trapped by the bones, of the body moving in such a way as to trap the blade between the ribs. In this case, they fired a round to break the bones, which would release the bayonet.
 
The erroneous bit of folk wisdom you refer to says that water always drains in a clockwise direction in the Southern Hemisphere, and in a counterclockwise direction in the Northern Hemisphere. The supposed reason for this "fact" is the Coriolis effect, which has to do with the effect of the earth's rotation on moving objects.

Well, there is such a thing as the Coriolis effect. It explains why macroevents such as hurricanes rotate in a clockwise direction in the Southern Hemisphere and counterclockwise in the Northern Hemisphere. However, when you get down to itty-bitty phenomena such as the water draining out of your bathtub, the Coriolis effect is insignificant, amounting to roughly three ten-millionths of the force of gravity (in Boston, at least, which is where they happened to do the measuring).

The boring truth is that water drains every which way no matter what hemisphere you're in, for reasons which have to do mostly with the shape of the drain, the way you poured in the water in the first place, and so on.

All this was demonstrated way back in 1962 by one Ascher Shapiro, a researcher at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Shapiro filled a circular tank six feet in diameter and six inches high in such a way that the water swirled in a clockwise direction. (Remember, now, that Coriolis forces in the Northern Hemisphere act in a counterclockwise direction.)

Shapiro then covered the tank with a plastic sheet, kept the temperature constant, and sat down to read comic books or whatever scientists do while they wait for their experiments to percolate. When he pulled the plug after an hour or two, the water went down the drain clockwise, presumably because it still retained some clockwise motion from filling.

On the other hand, if Shapiro pulled the plug after waiting a full 24 hours, the draining water spiraled counterclockwise, indicating that the motion from filling had subsided enough for the Coriolis effect to take over. When the plug was pulled after four to five hours, the water started draining clockwise, then gradually slowed down and finally started swirling in the opposite direction.

Needless to say, unless you are a consummate slob, you do not wait 24 hours (or even 4-5 hours) to drain your bathtub. Hence the influence of the Coriolis effect may be safely described as slight.

But I'm sure the myth of the bathtub spirals will endure. Shapiro did his work in 1962 and I proclaimed it to the world in 1983. Yet next to the mystery of where all the baby pigeons are, this remains the commonest question I get.

--CECIL ADAMS
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The actual effective use of the bayonet is pretty well known to anyone who has studied military history. The American Civil War may have been the first conflict where a medical history of wound types was actually compiled and published. I have never seen thsi report but it is quoted from by others that less than one percent of the wounds suffered by soldiers was caused by the bayonet. A soldier already dead froma bayonet wound would not be seen by a doctor and thus the wound not counted in the tabulation. As ballistics and tactics changed the importance of the bayonet as well as it's blade design some times changed but was always considered part of a soldier's kit. There are any numbers of stories about " the last bayonet charge " which are often used to support the continuing issue of that weapon. Reading bayonet manuals, especially from WW1 is rather interesting as there is a lot of hype included in the instructions. I wonder how many of the manual writers ever actually engaged in a face to face bayonet fight with an enraged, frightened or determined enemy. This is an interesting subject. By the way some bayonet catch systems were not well worked out and sometimes broke in use. I read in some reference that the Ross bayonets had a problem with popping off the rifle if the rifle was grounded to hard. Sure is a damn odd looking bayonet. Mine works fine on the rifle though.. Joe
 
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