How important is an expensive m14 scope mount?

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hey guys,

Last time I took the norc out shooting I was getting minute of pie plate at 100m. Prob about 6-8" group. My gun doesn't have a cheek riser "yet" which I know will affect things but the poor grouping got me thinking about my mount. I'm pretty sure it's a no name mount (it came with the gun along with a cabelas 3-9 scope) but it has several locking points and was mounted down tight with blue locktite and had no noticeable movement.

So now is it worth it to buy a good scope mount like an m14.ca or Sadlack? I really don't want to spend hundreds of dollars on a mount if it's not going to make any difference in accuracy. My gun already has an aftermarket OP spring guide rod and locks up nice and tight at the 6 position for the Gas lock so I never used shims.

This is the mount.


 
I'm no "marksman" but I'm concisitently shattering clay pigeons at 200 yards with my (let the verbal lashing begin ) NC star mount. Locktighted them bolts and it had not budged or let me down
 
Expendable Nate said:
I'm no "marksman" but I'm concisitently shattering clay pigeons at 200 yards with my (let the verbal lashing begin ) NC star mount. Locktighted them bolts and it had not budged or let me down
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My NC star doesn't fit my M 14 clone, not a Norinco , worth a hoot. ;) Thinking there are differences in receiver details and some fitting might be required.

Grizz
 
TonyBen said:
Buy once, cry once. Scope mounts are one of those things that are worth the money. Sadlak and CASM will do you well. But you NEED a cheek riser!

Tony.
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I agree with that theory for most guns however is it honestly gonna make a difference on my norc m14? To be honest all I'm hoping for is to get 2 MOA out of this gun. Could 2 MOA not be done with the mount I currently have?

If this was a national match m1a I wouldn't even consider a cheap mount but because it's just a norc my brain tells me it's not worth it. Maybe I need convincing or something. Lol

BTW, I have a tacpro m14 riser on the way from another gunner.
 
84wh1 said:
I agree with that theory for most guns however is it honestly gonna make a difference on my norc m14? To be honest all I'm hoping for is to get 2 MOA out of this gun. Could 2 MOA not be done with the mount I currently have?

If this was a national match m1a I wouldn't even consider a cheap mount but because it's just a norc my brain tells me it's not worth it. Maybe I need convincing or something. Lol

BTW, I have a tacpro m14 riser on the way from another gunner.
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I though 4 MOA was the best we could hope with these Norincos. LOL.

What other inexpensive DIY accuracy mods have you done?
 
I would suggest either the CASM or the ARMS 18 mounts. Have one of each on my two Norcs and find them to be great.
 
Odd Shot said:
I though 4 MOA was the best we could hope with these Norincos. LOL.

What other inexpensive DIY accuracy mods have you done?
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I've done nothing. The rifle came with an aftermarket op spring guide. I had bought some shims but then realized the gas lock tightens up real nice and snug at 6 position.

What else is recommended to get 2moa.....or is that unrealistic without spending too much money (I don't want to dump big dollars into this rifle).

I might get the m14 mount as it's reasonably priced but that would be about it
 
There's the fit between the barrel band and the stock ferrule (there should be a gap when viewed from the side, and the tab of the barrel band should exert a slight "draw pressure" upward to the stock ferrule...the contact point should also be greased) as well as making sure that the hand guard is not contacting the receiver or the stock.

The Norinco plastic stock is considered "noodle-like" by some, and they've epoxied carbon fibre arrow shafts into it to stiffen it up.
Also, making sure the receiver doesn't shift around in the stock inlet.

Little things like that.
 
canuck75 said:
I had a cheap aluminum mount (make unknown) and the difference when going to an arms mount was very noticeable
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What about the aluminum casm mount ? Obviously the steel one is more than likely superior, but I've heard awesome things about the aluminum one
 
tdod101 said:
What about the aluminum casm mount ? Obviously the steel one is more than likely superior, but I've heard awesome things about the aluminum one
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M14.ca themselves say that the aluminium CASM is sufficient for all civilian shooters. The steel is for military operatives or those with heavy scopes.
 
For 8" at 100 yards, I would put it in a vise and wiggle the scope to see if the crosshairs move. Also check your windage, elevation and whatever knobs the scope has to see if it is broken.
 
geesh, I just dropped 190.00 shipped to my door for a scope rail for my Remington 700 ....... couple hundred bucks for a decent m14 mount shouldn't be seen as expensive.
unless we're talking SEI mounts, which fetch much more than a couple hundred
ARMS, Sadlak, SEI have all had years of success in the field both in civilian and military roles, solid reputations for all three.
bassett , while I use an arms, I have read good internet reviews, same for the casm... the new kid on the block so to speak

personally, I want to keep my irons so have used an ARMS 18 for years. best 200 bucks I ever spent as far as optics mounting solutions for my m14s goes.
 
Odd Shot said:
M14.ca themselves say that the aluminium CASM is sufficient for all civilian shooters. The steel is for military operatives or those with heavy scopes.
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I've used the aluminum CASM to shoot very good groups (~1MOA-ish) out to 300 yards with a Leupold Mk4 ER/T with a 50mm objective lens. My 600yd groups were not so impressive. ~18" for 20 rounds (~3 MOA) at 600yds. However, I can't say that the groups were attributed to the scope mount and it was only once that I shot that distance.

Some 300yd groups...






Tony.
 
How well does it shoot with irons? Neither the mount nor scope will help a rifle that doesn't shoot well in the first place.
Scopes nor mounts are accurate either. However, a poorly made mount will give you no end of grief.
 
sunray said:
How well does it shoot with irons? Neither the mount nor scope will help a rifle that doesn't shoot well in the first place.
Scopes nor mounts are accurate either. However, a poorly made mount will give you no end of grief.
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can't disagree with that sunray.

to directly answer the OP's question without getting into favorite mounts debate or discussion
cheap mounts often don't fit the rifle well for two reasons
1) they are made for the airsoft "m14" --->>> most of the cheap mounts are in fact airsoft product
2) they "might" be made for the M1A/M14 but machining tolerances are a crap shoot and thus fitting correctly to the receiver is a crap shoot

then once these cheap , aluminum mounts are attached and your favorite optic installed, the recoil and return to battery forces produced by these rifles hammers the scope mount and causes it to lose 'zero" or won't keep a zero at all. Often.... very often, the optic is trashed as well.
so many guys have been there done that and most have learned, if yer gonna scope these rifles, a "cheap" and "worth the money spent" standard mount, STARTS with arms, sadlak and bassett .....
 
scope mounts have nothing to do with accuracy, the mechanics of your rifle and the trigger man's ability to shoot dictate how accurate it is or isn't
the best mount in the world installed by the best smith in the world will not make a crappy shooting rifle into a tack driver.
 
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