How is the deer population MB hunters?

m777 said:
The Metis do have a season and tags. The Harvester Card lets them pick 4 of 5 tags, deer, deer, moose, elk, bear. I think the guy at work with the card said the "season" starts in July till Jan. And the Goverment announcement said that there would be an area for them to hunt in, but would be announced later.
Clint
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Wrong. In a nutshell: The Selinger government will formally ink a deal today with Manitoba's Métis on giving them the same hunting rights as aboriginals.


http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/metis-hunting-rights-recognized-171903271.html
 
Regardless of which of the above scenarios is actually the case it remains a farce...Why on earth can they not just buy a tag like everybody else....screw them and their "status" and their self imposed bag limits....
 
rsp1761 said:
Regardless of which of the above scenarios is actually the case it remains a farce...Why on earth can they not just buy a tag like everybody else....screw them and their "status" and their self imposed bag limits....
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Special hunting privileges for Metis people living in under serviced areas is one thing but I'd bet the lions share of those Metis presently taking advantage rights live right in the middle of Manitoba's capital region. Just another avenue for abuse IMO....
 
m777 said:
Wrong. Feel free to look up the actually government release and get your data straight!
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OK, here it is:

http://www.gov.mb.ca/conservation/pdf/faq_29sept2012_clean.pdf


September 29, 2012
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Province of Manitoba / Manitoba Metis Federation
Agreement on Metis Natural Resource Harvesting
Frequently Asked Questions

What has been announced?

The province has reached an understanding with the Manitoba Metis Federation (MMF) and has agreed to legally recognize Metis Natural Resource Harvesting rights in part of Manitoba, through the development of new regulations in the coming months.

Why did Manitoba and the MMF enter into this agreement?

Metis in Manitoba have constitutionally protected aboriginal rights to hunt, fish, trap and gather for food and domestic use, including wood for personal use. Manitoba courts have affirmed the existence of Metis natural resource harvesting rights in regions of the province, which requires Manitoba’s regulatory regime to recognize the Metis right to harvest. This agreement achieves this direction.
At the same time, the Supreme Court of Canada has also encouraged governments and aboriginal groups to negotiate mutually agreeable, practical arrangements in order to recognize aboriginal rights as well as advance reconciliation between the Crown and aboriginal peoples. This agreement advances both of these objectives.

What are the benefits of this agreement to Manitobans?

This agreement increases certainty with respect to the where Metis natural resource harvesters are exercising their harvesting rights. As such, it enables better information sharing, enforcement, monitoring and management with respect to natural resources between Manitoba Conservation and Water Stewardship and the MMF. This strengthens the province’s management of natural resources for all Manitobans as well as future generations.

What are the benefits of this agreement to Manitoba Metis?

It provides Metis natural resource harvesters with certainty with respect to the exercise of their rights to hunt, fish, trap and gather for food and domestic use within Manitoba. It also sets out mutually agreeable processes for information sharing, consultation and collaborative work between Manitoba Conservation and Water Stewardship and the MMF with the goal of improved management and monitoring.

What does “Metis natural resource harvesting” include?

For the purposes of this agreement, Metis natural resource harvesting includes hunting, trapping, fishing and gathering for food and domestic use, including for social and ceremonial purposes. It also includes the harvest of timber for domestic purposes.

Where will Metis people be able to hunt, trap, and fish without a licence?

There will be a designated area in Manitoba where Metis Natural Resource Harvesting rights can be exercised (see map). In this Metis Natural Resource Harvesting Area, Metis people will be able to hunt, trap and fish without a provincial licence, subject to conditions contained within new regulations that will put in place. Outside of the Metis Natural Resource Harvesting Area, Metis people will be required to comply with all provincial legislative requirements including the purchase of a licence.
The designated area reflects the land and waterways that were traditionally used by Metis people.

Does this agreement include commercial harvesting?

No, this agreement only recognizes Metis natural resource harvesting for food and domestic use.

How will the agreement be implemented?

The commitments in the agreement will be implemented by the Minister of Conservation and Water Stewardship by making regulations for Metis natural resource harvesting that are consistent with the MMF’s Metis Laws of the Hunt as well as the Points of Agreement executed by the province and the MMF. The province and the MMF will also establish a Working Group to work collaboratively together on the implementation of the commitments in the Points of Agreement.

What harvesting laws apply to Metis?

Metis natural resource harvesters are required to comply with all provincial laws respecting safety and humane trapping.

What about areas where conservation closures are in place?

Metis natural resource harvesters are bound by any enactments that prohibit the hunting or trapping of an animal in order to conserve that species and sustain its ongoing viability, including moose in the moose conservation closure regulation 122-2011.

Does this mean there will be lots of new natural resource harvesters?

No, Metis are already harvesting natural resources in Manitoba.

Does this mean that Metis natural resource harvesting rights don’t exist outside of the recognized area?

The province and the MMF have reached an agreement that Metis natural resource harvesting rights exist in the area identified by the map. The agreement sets out a process by which additional research may be undertaken in other areas of the province.

How does the Government know who is Metis and who is not Metis (for purposes of exercising Metis natural resource harvesting rights)?

The government will be accepting the MMF Harvesters Card as proof of Metis identity. The government will also recognize other similarly objective and verifiable forms of identification.

How will the new regulations be enforced?

Natural Resource Officers of Manitoba Conservation and Water Stewardship will enforce the new regulations.

Does this agreement affect First Nation rights?

No. Metis rights and First Nation rights co-exist in areas of the province. The recognition of already existing Metis natural resource harvesting rights does not affect First Nation harvesting rights in any way.
 
And this:

http://www.gov.mb.ca/chc/press/top/2012/09/2012-09-29-103000-15364.html

September 29, 2012

PROVINCE PARTNERS WITH MANITOBA METIS FEDERATION TO UPHOLD MéTIS HARVESTING RIGHTS, NATURAL RESOURCE CONSERVATION



Based on rulings by the Supreme Court of Canada involving aboriginal rights for Métis people, the government of Manitoba is partnering with the Manitoba Metis Federation (MMF) to recognize Métis rights to harvest natural resources for food and domestic use in Manitoba, and to acknowledge the Métis peoples’ commitment to conserve and respect the resources that sustain those rights, Premier Greg Selinger and David Chartrand, president of the Manitoba Metis Federation, announced today.

“In addition to recent jurisprudence, history makes it clear that Métis people have aboriginal harvesting rights in certain regions of Manitoba,” said Selinger. “Through co-operation with the MMF, we have been able to attain a balance of recognizing those rights while ensuring an orderly approach to conservation and enforcement. I commend the MMF on their commitment to meet the traditional responsibility to protect the wildlife, fish and other resources we all depend on.”

The agreement, signed today at the MMF’s 44th Annual General Assembly, provides for the recognition of Métis harvesting rights in mutually agreed to regions of the province, and relies on the MMF’s Metis Laws of the Hunt as the basis for the development of new provincial regulations to govern Métis harvesting. As well, MMF Harvester Cards will be recognized as a means to identify Métis harvesters.

The agreement also commits to collaborative processes for examining Métis harvesting right claims in regions of the province outside of the designated Métis Natural Resource Harvesting Zone and for establishing a working group to monitor and address issues relating to Métis rights-based natural resource harvesting.

“Based on many years of discussion and decisions from the courts, I am very proud to jointly announce this Métis Harvesting Agreement between the government of Manitoba and the Manitoba Métis,” said Chartrand. “Our Métis laws and the provincial laws will now work together to improve resource management and sustainability. I want to thank Conservation and Water Stewardship Minister Gord Mackintosh for his dedication to getting to this historic moment. With this agreement, the Selinger government is taking a leadership role within Canada on the recognition of the constitutional rights of the Métis people.”

“The conservation principles of the Métis Laws of the Hunt are similar to those for licensed hunters and anglers,” said Reid Woods, president, Manitoba Wildlife Federation. “I commend the MMF for this responsible approach, and encourage other provinces to look to Manitoba for an exceptional model of dedication to sustainable use of natural resources.”

As part of the recognition of Métis harvesting rights, Métis people will continue to be required to follow safety and conservation regulations. It is expected the regulations respecting Métis harvesting, based on today’s agreement, will be finalized later this fall.
 
So for the most part, they can hunt one third of the province. With or without landowner's permission?
 
Jrink said:
So for the most part, they can hunt one third of the province. With or without landowner's permission?
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Everyone who hunts in MB needs permission to hunt on private land, whether it's posted or not, no exceptions.
I guess it's supposedly their "traditional resource use area". They also have a claim in against MB Hydro. I would suspect a residential school claim is imminent.
 
From the MMF site

Each harvester
can take 6 tags (1 caribou, 1 elk, 1 moose, 1 bear,
2 deer), BUT may only possess 4 animals in their
household or freezer at any one time.
 
That's outdated info. Believe me when I tell you it's been passed. You wanted government documents, I provided those. If you're still in doubt, try google( www.google.com), there's pages of info there for you to peruse from government releases and news articles. If you're still in doubt, give them a call or email, contact info is at the bottom.

So just for you, here it is from the Manitoba Metis Federation website, copied and pasted, with links:

http://www.mmf.mb.ca/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=844
http://www.mmf.mb.ca/images/pdf/MMF Harvesting Rights Media Release.pdf
http://www.mmf.mb.ca/images/pdf/Metis Harvesting Areas.pdf


News Release
September 29, 2012
PROVINCE PARTNERS WITH MANITOBA METIS FEDERATION TO UPHOLD MÉTIS HARVESTING RIGHTS, NATURAL RESOURCE CONSERVATION
Based on rulings by the Supreme Court of Canada involving aboriginal rights for Métis people, the government of Manitoba is partnering with the Manitoba Metis Federation (MMF) to recognize Métis rights to harvest natural resources for food and domestic use in Manitoba, and to acknowledge the Métis peoples’ commitment to conserve and respect the resources that sustain those rights, Premier Greg Selinger and David Chartrand, president of the Manitoba Metis Federation, announced today.
“In addition to recent jurisprudence, history makes it clear that Métis people have aboriginal harvesting rights in certain regions of Manitoba,” said Selinger. “Through co-operation with the MMF, we have been able to attain a balance of recognizing those rights while ensuring an orderly approach to conservation and enforcement. I commend the MMF on their commitment to meet the traditional responsibility to protect the wildlife, fish and other resources we all depend on.”
The agreement, signed today at the MMF’s 44th Annual General Assembly, provides for the recognition of Métis harvesting rights in mutually agreed to regions of the province, and relies on the MMF’s Metis Laws of the Hunt as the basis for the development of new provincial regulations to govern Métis harvesting. As well, MMF Harvester Cards will be recognized as a means to identify Métis harvesters.The agreement also commits to collaborative processes for examining Métis harvesting right claims in regions of the province outside of the designated Métis Natural Resource Harvesting Zone and for establishing a working group to monitor and address issues relating to Métis rights-based natural resource harvesting.
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“Based on many years of discussion and decisions from the courts, I am very proud to jointly announce this Métis Harvesting Agreement between the government of Manitoba and the Manitoba Métis,” said Chartrand. “Our Métis laws and the provincial laws will now work together to improve resource management and sustainability. I want to thank Conservation and Water Stewardship Minister Gord Mackintosh for his dedication to getting to this historic moment. With this agreement, the Selinger government is taking a leadership role within Canada on the recognition of the constitutional rights of the Métis people.”
“The conservation principles of the Métis Laws of the Hunt are similar to those for licensed hunters and anglers,” said Reid Woods, president, Manitoba Wildlife Federation. “I commend the MMF for this responsible approach, and encourage other provinces to look to Manitoba for an exceptional model of dedication to sustainable use of natural resources.”
As part of the recognition of Métis harvesting rights, Métis people will continue to be required to follow safety and conservation regulations. It is expected the regulations respecting Métis harvesting, based on today’s agreement, will be finalized later this fall.
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Contact:
Nammi Poorooshasb
Director of Cabinet Communications
Government of Manitoba
Cell:
Email: Nammi.Poorooshasb@leg.gov.mb.ca
Frank Coyle
Director of Communications
Manitoba Metis Federation
Cell: 204- 232-5737
Email: fcoyle@mmf.mb.ca
Reid Woods
President
Manitoba Wildlife Federation
Cell: 204-801-1989

Following is a link to the "Metis Laws of the Harvest". Keep in mind it's a guideline put forth by the MMF, not by Manitoba Conservation, and is not a legally binding document. The courts have ruled that Metis have the same rights as First Nations for hunting/harvesting, that's all that will matter when/if any charges are laid.

http://www.mmf.mb.ca/images/pdf/Metis Laws of the Harvest Web.pdf

Here's what the MMF suggests to do if charges are laid:

To: MMF Harvesters and Harvester Clerks
Date: September 22, 2011
Subject: What to Do If a Harvester is charged with Hunting/Fishing Offense
Introduction
Metis people in Canada have constitutionally-recognized Aboriginal Rights
(under Section 35). The 2003 Supreme Court of Canada’s Powley Decision
recognized our Metis right to harvest for food. Metis harvesting rights in the
province of Manitoba were further affirmed following the Goodon decision
in 2008.
However, there continues to be no clear direction from the Manitoba
government on precisely where Metis harvesters can hunt and fish within the
province. Consequently, a number of MMF Harvesters have been charged
with hunting and fishing offenses by Manitoba Conservation. Additionally,
it appears that each District’s Conservation Officer differs in opinion on
where Metis Harvesters can hunt and fish.
The MMF Metis Harvesting Initiative was established in 2004 to identify
and keep track of all Harvesters in each Region, through the Metis Harvester
Identification Card, Conservation Trust Fund, Management System and
Laws of the Harvest. This Metis Harvesting Initiative protects the right
to harvest for food across the entire provincial boundary of Manitoba,
for all MMF Harvesters.
What to Do If a Harvester is charged with a Hunting/Fishing Offense
MMF has received guidance from our Metis Harvesting Rights lawyer of the
steps to follow when a harvester is charged with an offense. The harvester
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must immediately contact MMF Natural Resources at 1-204-586-8474 to
report the incident.
The harvester, after reporting the incident, must send or fax a copy of the
summons (charge paper), any seizure receipt and any other documents to
MMF Natural Resources (150 Henry Avenue, Winnipeg). The harvester
must also do the following steps:
1. The harvester must attend in court in the location indicated on the
summons BEFORE the date indicated. Failure to attend within the
time set will result in a conviction.
2. The harvester, when called on to speak in court should tell the court
that he or she
A) pleads not guilty;
B) is Métis;
C) intends to raise a Métis rights defense;
D) needs time to get a lawyer; and
E) requires an adjournment of at least 3 months.
3. The harvester should then contact MMF Natural Resources with the
adjournment date. This should be done within a day of the court
appearance.
MMF Natural Resources will then forward a scan of the summons and other
documents (seizure papers, notes, etc.) to our Metis Harvesting Rights
lawyer. On receipt of this information, MMF’s lawyer will ask the Crown to
put this matter on the list of MMF adjourned charges. Charges cannot be
adjourned unless this process is followed.
For further information on this memo, please contact MMF Natural
Resources at 1-204-586-8474.
Regards,
Ken Leforte
Minister of Natural Resources

http://www.mmf.mb.ca/images/pdf/WhatToDoWhenHarvestersareCharged.pdf



....and now back to the discussion about lack of deer in Manitoba. :)
 
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The data I listed is dated 31 August 2012.

They are required to pay a yearly fee for a sticker to attach to their card. Not even close to the rights of Treaty Indians
 
numbers are way down in spruce woods/carberry area. Tons of large coyotes, Have seen the largest wolf of my life out there... the top of his back was between the second and top strand of barbwire. He saw me, we were 75 feet apart, put his head down and backed into the bush looking at me the whole time. Made the hair on the back of my neck stand up.
 
upnorth said:
numbers are way down in spruce woods/carberry area. Tons of large coyotes, Have seen the largest wolf of my life out there... the top of his back was between the second and top strand of barbwire. He saw me, we were 75 feet apart, put his head down and backed into the bush looking at me the whole time. Made the hair on the back of my neck stand up.
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I have hunted Spruce Woods for 25 years and have never seen it so bad...Area always had tons of coyotes but the wolves in any significant numbers are fairly new...Bad winters plus the wolves have really hurt the population there but the cycle will change....the wolves will have to move on or starve and if we can have a few more good winters things will be great once again...
 
upnorth said:
numbers are way down in spruce woods/carberry area. Tons of large coyotes, Have seen the largest wolf of my life out there... the top of his back was between the second and top strand of barbwire. He saw me, we were 75 feet apart, put his head down and backed into the bush looking at me the whole time. Made the hair on the back of my neck stand up.
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I'm from around Gladstone and haven't heard of any wolves around here. Was a report of a cougar (no, not the horny old chick-type) late in the spring. Do see a few coyotes. I had put some apples out a couple months ago just to see if there were deer coming around. Well, it wasn't long before the apples disappeared, and upon inspecting my camera, I found a big fat coyote gobbling them down. I had no idea the buggers would eat them.
 
Jrink said:
I'm from around Gladstone and haven't heard of any wolves around here. Was a report of a cougar (no, not the horny old chick-type) late in the spring. Do see a few coyotes. I had put some apples out a couple months ago just to see if there were deer coming around. Well, it wasn't long before the apples disappeared, and upon inspecting my camera, I found a big fat coyote gobbling them down. I had no idea the buggers would eat them.
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Pretty much anything will eat apples. I put some out for bears and found almost every animal in my hunting area chowing down.
 
Heading out in the morning for my first day of ML this year. I've been going to the same area for a few years for chicken as soon as the leaves come off, and then for general deer. Most years I have seen quite a few deer out there during early fall, then as the rifle season comes the numbers decline. I guess from the guys pushing them deeper into the bush.

Last year, I didn't see a single deer there all year. This year, while out for grouse, I saw quite a few again. I think the population has come back there. I've never hunted ML there, so it'll be interesting so see if I can get one before they get pushed into the bush.
 
horseshoe said:
Heading out in the morning for my first day of ML this year. I've been going to the same area for a few years for chicken as soon as the leaves come off, and then for general deer. Most years I have seen quite a few deer out there during early fall, then as the rifle season comes the numbers decline. I guess from the guys pushing them deeper into the bush.

Last year, I didn't see a single deer there all year. This year, while out for grouse, I saw quite a few again. I think the population has come back there. I've never hunted ML there, so it'll be interesting so see if I can get one before they get pushed into the bush.
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I bought myself a muzzleloader a few months ago for that very reason. By the end of opening day of rifle, the hunters that hunt the land around me have pushed everything away. I wanted to get a jump on them this year, but due to family health issues, I haven't even had a chance to get my new gun sighted in yet. :(
 
We just finished our annual ML hunt a few days ago. Hunting farmland in St Labre area. Lots of deer, and one less Timber Wolf. Working during the ice storm a few weeks ago in the south east we also saw tons of deer.
 
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