How many different handguns do Canada's Police, Border Officers, Military,etc, Use ?
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BlackWatch
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225s with 8 round mags and no JHP round. They need some updating.
That. Because I had the chance and didn't do anything with it. Being born after the cutoff date is something you can't control.
Shot the 225 a little while ago, it's a decent little gun.
We use JHP for domestic policing use, but the good old Hague convention prohibits us for doing the same in theater. Yeah, we can use JHP to shoot on our guys, but not the enemy, don't get me started... 8 rounds is not a whole lot though and I too would like a bigger capacity.
Never had a problem with them, but my experience is limited (less than 2000 rounds). My biggest beef has been that finding a SL 6304 ALS Holster for it has been impossible.
+1
I was fortunate enough to have been in & stayed in the 12(6) club.
Still, I don't know what I was thinking when I let my $125 Ishapor FN slip away and lost that 12(*) designation....
NAA.
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something government run and logical... really?
Though you guys maybe kicking yourselves for missing out on 12(6) at least you guys got to play with them before they were banned
i want a S&W 36, and a FAL 
I wonder and (I'm just thinking out loud here) if it had anything to do with ERT performing the CT role before JTF2 took over?
I saw JTF2 troops using the P226 in Afghanistan.Maybe for the RCMP ERT/CT troops the P226 was already in the inventory?
I believe that some RCMP stayed on in JTF2 for the transition.
Ar180shooter
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Agreed. I don't have any prohibs because I wasn't 18 when many of them went prohibited in 1995. If I didn't have them because I sold them or never bought them, I'd be pissed at myself...
mudgunner49
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+1
I was fortunate enough to have been in & stayed in the 12(6) club.
Still, I don't know what I was thinking when I let my $125 Ishapor FN slip away and lost that 12(*) designation....
NAA.
I feel your pain - I did the exact same thing with the exact same rifle and have been kicking myself ever since...
The difference in size isn't that much. The grip is slightly shorter which cuts down a couple rounds from the mag, and the barrel is maybe half an inch shorter (the difference is much more subtle than a G17 compared to a G19). For a secondary gun that concealment isn't an issue for, the slightly smaller size doesn't have any benefits.
And switching 15k+ members to a new pistol is a much bigger undertaking, than transitioning a much smaller group of somewhat specialized guys that get more dedicated range time and can get the extra practice needed to make a smooth switch. The other reason is cost.
Our ERT program was initially influenced greatly by the British SAS model. We had some of our guys go over and train with them years ago ('70's or early '80's). And part of that influence is evident in some of the equipment utilized such as the 226 and MP-5.
Also, ERT (and then SERT) was using the 226 long before JTF-2 was even a thought.
SERT members, which were also instructors for the tactical/firearms stuff, trained the first few groups that were JTF-2, in around '94. Once they were big enough and had the experience and corporate knowledge, they started using their own instructors, and we stayed at DHTC, sharing the facilities for our tactical training. We moved out (except for the occasional time when there's some cross-training or use of facilities) in 2003 or 2004, cant remember now.
WP good little history lesson on the genesis of JTF2 and SERT. I didn't realize that the SAS hosted Mounties and gave them some training, good go for those troops
. Did any SERT stay on with JTF2? I remember a recruitment session in the Army and I'm sure buddy was Ex RCMP?None that I know of. Could have been an rcmp member that quit and went over to the CF. A lot of the initial JTF-2 were from the disbanded Airborne. As far as I know, there was (and still isn't) no process in place for our guys to move to the CF.
There's still a few of the SERT guys around, but most of them are in the commissioned ranks.
There's still a few of the SERT guys around, but most of them are in the commissioned ranks.
Can i ask why a 9mm and not a .45 or .40? If you had the choice what would you choose?
Slavex gets 2 gold stars, but he answers Beretta to everything, he's programmed that way
Don't forget the good part now - they were going to issue the 92F to patrol, unless the individual had small hands, then they were going to issue the 92FM, also the 92FM to plain clothes and UC's. What is the problem with this little plan??
Answer - the FM is a single stack, how'd you like to have a partner in your vehicle with incompatible magazines?
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Given the number of new old stock Hi Powers on hand, and the relatively low priority of handguns in the scheme of things, and the fact that most Forces members who rely on a handgun in their trade already have something "better" I don't think you'll see a change anytime soon.
You can thank CGN Maurice for that, he did a lot of work on that as I remember.
