How many is too many?

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Yes I know, you can never have enough - but realistically how many handguns/restricteds do people have? There is the storage issue which can be solved with a safe, but at what point would the CFO start to wonder. I ask this because I see so many I would like to have, but I don't want to sell anything I currently own. So where do others draw the line?
 
Definitely keeping everything 110% above board. Even keep cable locks on them in the safe even though I don't have too. Read about the possibility of inspection so I'm thinking better safe then sorry.
 
They only pay attention if you buy a bunch at once. If you buy a bunch over time, it doesn't trigger any warning bells - they won't even notice.
 
Closecornet said:
Definitely keeping everything 110% above board. Even keep cable locks on them in the safe even though I don't have too. Read about the possibility of inspection so I'm thinking better safe then sorry.
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Unless you are a collector or a business they have to schedule an inspection. There is no legal reason to have a "surprise" inspection with out cause.

Personally I try to keep the "total" number below 100. 20ish are heirlooms, 20ish are dedicated hunting tools. The rest are just cuz.
 
Closecornet said:
Definitely keeping everything 110% above board. Even keep cable locks on them in the safe even though I don't have too. Read about the possibility of inspection so I'm thinking better safe then sorry.
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*sigh* ...did you also read about the fact that a inspection has to be announced and BOTH parties have to come to an agreement what date and time would be the best?
They only can inspect without a warrant if you're involved in a crime and there is the chance you hide or destroy evidence.

Rights. Use them or loose them. Don't follow non existent laws.

CG
 
notsorichguy said:
Unless you are a collector or a business they have to schedule an inspection. There is no legal reason to have a "surprise" inspection with out cause.

Personally I try to keep the "total" number below 100. 20ish are heirlooms, 20ish are dedicated hunting tools. The rest are just cuz.
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I'm target shooter and collector...and they still have to schedule a inspection, the chances might be higher they will ( never had one ), but they have to schedule. Coming unannounced only works with a search warrant.

CG
 
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ive always wondered in the back of my mind whenever i make a new purchase..... is this gonna be the time the CFO calls me and says
"really? another? just.... really?"

im kinda interested to see the day when my father passes his horde down to me.
that will make a interesting couple hour phone call to the CFO im thinking.
 
The proper number to own is always N+1 where N is however many you have in the safe at the moment.

Someone needs to cast that phrase in bronze......
 
Closecornet said:
Yes I know, you can never have enough - but realistically how many handguns/restricteds do people have? There is the storage issue which can be solved with a safe, but at what point would the CFO start to wonder. I ask this because I see so many I would like to have, but I don't want to sell anything I currently own. So where do others draw the line?
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As a shooter, you probably just need one or two handguns. But you have to go through 10-30 different guns to find YOUR gun. Depending on what shooting discipline you decide to go with, IPSC, IDPA, PPC, they all have different divisions, different rules on what is allowed, and what is not. You don't want too many because you want to train with one if you want to compete. If your goal is just to learn some action/bullseye skills, you probably want to learn how to shoot different types of handguns: 1911, stricker, hammer, revolvers, heavy, polymer, small and large in size and caliber. So you'll need a lot more handguns...

As a collector, well, I know people with 100+ handguns.

PS. There is also the HWF (Handgun Wife Factor) and the HMF (Handgun Money Factor).
 
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I have heard that if the CFO knows you gave 10 or more they may or can come take a look... not sure about this..
And for those who listen to slam fire radio... one of the guys there got a phone call from the CFO after buying 4 restricted at once..
Does any one here know what your rights are if they want to look?
Is it just one person that can come in or more?
Can they take pics?
Right down numbers...
How long can they stay?
What if the mailman shows up with a new one during the inspection??
 
Coachgun67 said:
*sigh* ...did you also read about the fact that a inspection has to be announced and BOTH parties have to come to an agreement what date and time would be the best?
They only can inspect without a warrant if you're involved in a crime and there is the chance you hide or destroy evidence.

Rights. Use them or loose them. Don't follow non existent laws.

CG
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There is in the law a provision under the law requiring "reasonable notice" but no obligation that both sides have to agree on date and time. If you do not agree to an inspection or they believe that you won't agree the inspectors can under the law apply for a search warrant.

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/F-11.6/page-11.html#h-39

Inspection
Definition of “inspector”

101 In sections 102 to 105, inspector means a firearms officer and includes, in respect of a province, a member of a class of individuals designated by the provincial minister.

Inspection

102 (1) Subject to section 104, for the purpose of ensuring compliance with this Act and the regulations, an inspector may at any reasonable time enter and inspect any place where the inspector believes on reasonable grounds a business is being carried on or there is a record of a business, any place in which the inspector believes on reasonable grounds there is a gun collection or a record in relation to a gun collection or any place in which the inspector believes on reasonable grounds there is a prohibited firearm or there are more than 10 firearms and may

(a) open any container that the inspector believes on reasonable grounds contains a firearm or other thing in respect of which this Act or the regulations apply;

(b) examine any firearm and examine any other thing that the inspector finds and take samples of it;

(c) conduct any tests or analyses or take any measurements; and

(d) require any person to produce for examination or copying any records, books of account or other documents that the inspector believes on reasonable grounds contain information that is relevant to the enforcement of this Act or the regulations.


104 (1) An inspector may not enter a dwelling-house under section 102 except

(a) on reasonable notice to the owner or occupant, except where a business is being carried on in the dwelling-house; and

(b) with the consent of the occupant or under a warrant.

Authority to issue warrant

(2) A justice who on ex parte application is satisfied by information on oath

(a) that the conditions for entry described in section 102 exist in relation to a dwelling-house,

(b) that entry to the dwelling-house is necessary for any purpose relating to the enforcement of this Act or the regulations, and

(c) that entry to the dwelling-house has been refused or that there are reasonable grounds for believing that entry will be refused

may issue a warrant authorizing the inspector named in it to enter that dwelling-house subject to any conditions that may be specified in the warrant.
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High volume buying usually gets a call from the CFO office. Usually they just call to say Hi, you tell them you're interested in '###x' and have a friendly chat.
Most CFO offices know the high volume collectors and buyer/sellers as they see their names go across their desk often. Usually after one call, I imagine the CFO would be like "oh, so-and-so is buying another gun again.. *stamps something*"

If you have more than 10, yes, technically they can call for an inspection. It's more geared towards firearms business'. For home owners, 48 hours notice minimum and if you refuse they can easily get a warrant (so there is no point in refusing). With a warrant, they can come with an RCMP officer and can search the entire house (depending on the type of warrant issued). It's section 101-104 of the firearms act.
 
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