How much Ammo can we legally own?

Well on a lighter note thank you all for your service.

Back to the matter at hand I have 18 years experience in the civilian explosives industry. The military has its own set of rules for nearly everything and rarely reflects "real world" business operations. The military may be afforded exact NEQs for every product it uses but the civilian market is not usually as fortunate, and NEQ estimates based on product classification is routine.

Given that the subject under discussion seems more in line with an ammo techs expertise I will concede to your side on this, however please consider my own experiences also have some merit. I see any explosives tech as a fellow comrade and while our roles and responsibilities may differ, we should at least have some professional courtesy for each other. On that note I'll end my participation here now.

And to be fair, we import multiple 40' seacans of product annually so I have some experience moving tonnage too. ;)
 
Where I'm currently employed, working with experimental explosives, a rather significant percentage of the products used are from the commercial pyrotechnic and explosives industry. We depend heavily on the commercial brochures produced by the individual manufacturers which give us as much technical information as we can get, if we find anything lacking we phone the manufacturer.

During a previous employment position, a few years back, I was moving 6,000-8,000 tons twice a year. Just our salvage/aids to production going back to the manufacturer exceeded 64 Sea Cans a year.
 
Is this some sort of e-peen/ego measuring contest now? My CV includes Disney, the CFL, and the US Army CID. Big deal.
 
Nope, just trying to explain in a bit more depth what our background includes. We actually have a fascinating trade, once you get out of your basic schooling. Also I have never talked to a manufacturer who has not willingly given us the information we required.
 
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Are you actually industry or some military know-it-all? Give a grunt a hand grenade and he immediately proclaims himself an explosives "expert" and is in the "industry".

NEQ applies to a lot more than just ammunition, so yes, please show me similar data for a case each of an Orica cast RDX booster, a Vulcan consumer cake, a Zaragozana commercial shell, a Pains Wessex pararocket flare, and MJG J-Tek10 matches.

If exact NEQ is known then it is an absolute. If exact NEQ is NOT known it is calculated as a percentage based on the classification of the article. Since most folks don't know exactly what the charge weights are in all of the ammunition they own, a percentage is a reasonable calculation.

But I'm sure you'll rage-search through Google for the next few hours trying to look the hero and show otherwise, and if that's the most productive use of your time feel free.

Wow, thanks. I was a grunt in my early years. And I DID have grenades. And I WAS a pioneer and I considered myself an explosives expert then since I had to order it, store it, issue it, dispose of it and send it back.
It is funny, to the civilian world, "the military does it differently" is a phrase you hear quite often. We are a distinct society and we are, by law, allowed to run things our own way. However, I can guarantee that the military takes things to a different level than the civvy world. We have agreed to follow the rules set forth by the agencies in Canada, and we do so more stringently than most civilian companies do. We HAVE to follow the rules and we have a more strict adherance than most civilian companies. But, that's just icing on the cake.

My manual (its called Ammo and Explosives Technical Data) lists over 1100 explosives data cards. And no internet search required, it is right here on my desktop along with a CFTO (Canadian Forces Technical Order) for Ammo Data, another for Ammo Storage and Transportation, another for Cartridge Actuated Devices, service life and applicability, another for Initiators, cartridge actuated.


But, since you asked:
NATO STOCK NUMBER:​
PACK DATA:pALLET DATA:STORAGE:TRANSPORT:NEQ/BOX:AIC:​
5037 LOG SERIAL: 1362
NOMENCLATURE​
Rocket Hand Fired Illuminating Para L5A4
PACK DETAILS:​
As Required
UN NO:​
0171 HAZARD CLASS: 1.22 COMP CODE: G MACC: Rest SSC CODE: ORD
SUPPL. FIRE SYMBOL: SUBSIDIARY RISK: EX NO:pROPER SHIPPING NAME:​
AMMUNITION, ILLUMINATING
NEQ/EACH:​
0.13 NEQ/PALLET:NEQ/EACH: 0.13 NEQ/BOX: NEQ/PALLET:QTY/BOX WT(KG): VOL(M3): DIM.(CM):
BOX/PAL: WT(KG): VOL(M3): DIM.(M):


While I dont have a Booster charge for mining explosives, will a penetrating warhead do?

NATO STOCK NUMBER:​

PACK DATA:pALLET DATA:STORAGE:TRANSPORT:NEQ/BOX:AIC:​
T619 LOG SERIAL: 8025

NOMENCLATURE​
Warhead Torpedo Mk103 Mod 1

PACK DETAILS:​
1/Container Mk 301 Mod 0

UN NO:​
0221 HAZARD CLASS: 1.1 COMP CODE: D MACC: Cont SSC CODE: ORD

SUPPL. FIRE SYMBOL: SUBSIDIARY RISK: EX NO:​
8802817

PROPER SHIPPING NAME:​
WARHEADS, TORPEDO

NEQ/EACH:​
45.36 45.36 NEQ/PALLET: 45.36

NEQ/EACH:​
45.36 NEQ/BOX: 45.36 NEQ/PALLET: 45.36

QTY/BOX​
1 WT(KG): 80.28 VOL(M3): 0.123 DIM.(CM): 63.6x49.5 DIA

BOX/PAL: WT(KG): VOL(M3): DIM.(M):

Nope, dont have a commercial illum rounds, but will this do?



NATO STOCK NUMBER:​

PACK DATA:pALLET DATA:STORAGE:TRANSPORT:NEQ/BOX:AIC: 1033 LOG SERIAL: 0300
NOMENCLATURE​
Cartridge 60mm Illuminating C112
PACK DETAILS:​
4/Plastic Cntr C124
UN NO:​
0171 HAZARD CLASS: 1.21 COMP CODE: G MACC: Rest SSC CODE: ORD
SUPPL. FIRE SYMBOL: SUBSIDIARY RISK: EX NO:​
2003040093
PROPER SHIPPING NAME:​
AMMUNITION, ILLUMINATING
NEQ/EACH:​
0.043 0.172 NEQ/PALLET: 11.01
NEQ/EACH:​
0.342 NEQ/BOX: 1.368 NEQ/PALLET: 87.552
QTY/BOX​
4 WT(KG): 12.4 VOL(M3): 0.018 DIM.(CM): 51.9x36.4x9.7
BOX/PAL:​
64 WT(KG): 828 VOL(M3): 1.383 DIM.(M): 1.245x1.041x1.067


And I could do this for about 60 different illum rounds from 40mm- 105mm. They don't go all pretty, but most of my stuff will make a heck of a hole in your ceiling. And the exclamations don't run in the ooohs and aahhs, it's more like HOLY F***, IF THERE IS AN EXCLAMATION AT ALL UPON DELIVERY.

Or, maybe I AM just a military "know-it-all". like Army Cat and Garand.

 
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Is this some sort of e-peen/ego measuring contest now? My CV includes Disney, the CFL, and the US Army CID. Big deal.

Wow!! That's impressive, mine only includes lighting up the night sky in, and dropping bombs on, Libya. 200 of them mixed between 500lbers and 2000 pounders. Only 200lbs explosives in a 2000pounder, though. Explosives ordnance shipped was near 100,000 lbs. And that's just for the airforce. But, I got nothing...
 
We are a distinct society and we are, by law, allowed to run things our own way. However, I can guarantee that the military takes things to a different level than the civvy world. We have agreed to follow the rules set forth by the agencies in Canada, and we do so more stringently than most civilian companies do. We HAVE to follow the rules and we have a more strict adherance than most civilian companies. But, that's just icing on the cake.
I'm not going to dispute how you do things because I have never been military and have never worked in that environment. So do me a favor and don't tell me how things run in MY world if you've never been there either.
 
Since the topic of this thread was answered pages ago, I fail to see how all the #### measuring answers the OP's question LOL this forum is out of hand!
 
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