how much DT10EELL?
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beretta boy
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Listed and imported by Stoeger Canada.
Canadian retail is "suggested" as being $ 18,500
(plus tax) but, as always, your dealer may sell for less.
Canadian retail is "suggested" as being $ 18,500
(plus tax) but, as always, your dealer may sell for less.
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Before I would spend money on a new DT-10 EELL, I would buy a nice used SO3. It would be worthwhile importing one from the States if you couldn't find one here. For example, this one would do:
http://www.connecticutshotgun.com/guns/8184.htm
While the DT-10 is a fine shotgun, the sidelock SO series is nicer yet, hand built in the custom shop with better feel and balance, in my opinion.
For the price of a new DT-10 EELL, there is a world of fine U/O guns available both new and used. I would take my time and be sure I was putting my cash on something I really lust after.
Sharptail
http://www.connecticutshotgun.com/guns/8184.htm
While the DT-10 is a fine shotgun, the sidelock SO series is nicer yet, hand built in the custom shop with better feel and balance, in my opinion.
For the price of a new DT-10 EELL, there is a world of fine U/O guns available both new and used. I would take my time and be sure I was putting my cash on something I really lust after.
Sharptail
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I definitely wouldn't spend that kind of money on a "tarted-up" DT-10 !
If you want to play that hard, you might just as well look at a real sidelock, something like an SO-5 ... or equivalent brand custom-shop gun. For that kind of dough, why not get properly fitted and choose your own wood and engraving ???
If you want to play that hard, you might just as well look at a real sidelock, something like an SO-5 ... or equivalent brand custom-shop gun. For that kind of dough, why not get properly fitted and choose your own wood and engraving ???
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For $18,500 you could just about get TWO standard-grade MX2000.jacky said:
As for the EELL I was curious about them myself and sent an email to the Chris Potter guns in the U.K. to get a price on one. Here's their response.
At today's exchange rate £7235 is $16,418.46 CAD and that would include the British Value Added Tax of 17.5% which is discounted for export sales. GST and Provincial sales taxes are added on this side of the pond so depending on which province you are in the price would come out about the same after shipping and brokerage fees.
What you would be risking however is aftermarket support but Stoeger Canada's support sucks gas and the last time I needed a part for a Beretta I ordered it from outside of the country and got it faster and for LESS than than what Stoeger was charging. Why a couple of simple parts costs MORE to ship from Oshawa than from outside of the country remains a mystery.
BTW, I've dealt with Chris Potter guns and they are good people. However there is an importer in Canada who might be able to get you a better price on one of these guns.
A new DT-10 Trap (32" o/u) was available at a shop in Vancouver last year for under $7000 plus taxes. A sporter could not have been that much more. Also, in the US, DT-10s have generally been discounted quite heavily because they have not competed all that well against many of the guns mentioned in threads earlier (i.e. Perazzi & Krieghoff). If you are really set on DT-10 you should look at a US import. Another alternative is you might find a used ASE-90 in a sporter configuration somewhere (much better gun in my opinion).
Brian
Brian
Hooked said:
I think the extra money comes from the 2 E's and 2 L's. Functionally a DT-10 and a DT-10EELL are the same, but the EELL is much more pretty and as such much more $$$$$$.
I think when the DT10 was first introduced they were asking in the neighborhood of a new K80 or Perazzi equivalent. Since them prices seem to have come down significantly. This could just be a function of demand (or lack there of).
I'm a big fan of Beretta, but when push came to shove I went with a K80 rather than a DT10 (or ASE).
Brad.
Brian, the DT10 EELL is a different gun than the standard DT10 having better wood, sideplates and more engraving.Hooked said:
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And even thought the Pound Sterling is strong against our dollar the English prices even with shipping are generally better than you'll find in the U.S. Also it's a LOT easier to get a gun from the U.K. than from the States.
Sorry, mis-read the original thread title...my bad.
I understand the price implications of different wood and engraving upgrades as I went through the "rationalization" process when I bought my K-80 Trap Special - went from a standard to a Suhl Scroll
Regards,
Brian
I understand the price implications of different wood and engraving upgrades as I went through the "rationalization" process when I bought my K-80 Trap Special - went from a standard to a Suhl Scroll
Regards,
Brian
Hooked said:
My question is (not intentionally hijacking....;and to be honest I was quite surprised) why is this the case. Hell at the ATA grand there were more Brownings in the winning circle than Beretta's ??
I have shot a couple of Berettas and they seem quite good. Nice light guns that point and swing well. I shoot a Browning Citori Trap and I love it but the first time I shot a few rounds with a MX8 I knew why Perazzi's were so popular. I also shot a TM1 and found it held of recoil well and shot like a dream.
I don't understand why there are not more DT10's out there ??? Even at the Canadain International Trap shooting Championship in Edmonton this year I was told by a friend who competed that the main gun was a Perazzi. ??
Odd considering how well known and popular Beretta's are over in Europe.
Jacky
It's an interesting question. My guess is that Beretta has mishandled their positioning and marketing of this gun from the start.jacky said:
The DT10 is a modernized version of the Beretta ASE 90. Beretta cut some corners on the DT10 compared to the ASE and it shows. So right out of the gate the gun was less than its immediate predecessor.
Initially the DT10 was priced almost as much as a Perazzi MX8. When I was in the market for a higher grade gun the DT10 was one I looked at but at that price level the Perazzi was a better choice for a number of reaons.
Then Beretta deeply discounted the DT10. I recall seeing a nice, new sporter for under $6,000 not too long ago which was about a 25 per cent reduction. That verified my earlier decision to buy a P-gun. I would have been some pissed if I'd paid the higher price only to see the same gun going for a lot less a couple years later.
DT10 owners shouldn't take this the wrong way. They are good guns and decent value at their current price levels.
You know I would have to look again but I think Leo Harrison III was the only "big" winner at the grand that shot a Beretta for some events.
I have never shot a DT10 or a ASE but the 682's I have shot seem good and they can go for as much as $5000 new for a combo or about $4300 new for a O/U trap. A DT 10 does not seem to be that much more so how do the two guns compare ??
Jacky
I have never shot a DT10 or a ASE but the 682's I have shot seem good and they can go for as much as $5000 new for a combo or about $4300 new for a O/U trap. A DT 10 does not seem to be that much more so how do the two guns compare ??
Jacky
Jacky, ever since Ennio Mattarelli won Olympic Gold at Tokyo in 1964, shooters have been flocking to Perazzi guns. I once asked Susan Nattrass why everyone shoots a Perazzi. Her reply was that in the event of a failure you can always borrow a part from another competitor. Since time to repair a gun is limited in competition, having the most common gun increases your odds of finding a part and fixing it in time. This usually consists of swapping out the trigger group. This is probably the reason that Beretta equipped the DT-10 with the removable trigger group.
As for the comparisson with the 682, the DT-10 has less muzzle jump and allows for quicker recovery for a second shot. And of course, there is that removable trigger group. The 682 did win Olympic gold in the mens double trap event, a feat which the DT-10 has yet to accomplish.
There were a couple of DT-10s at the Nationals this year, and there were a handful of SO series Berettas. Two or three 682s as well. They fared well, but all the winners all shot Perazzis.
Sharptail
As for the comparisson with the 682, the DT-10 has less muzzle jump and allows for quicker recovery for a second shot. And of course, there is that removable trigger group. The 682 did win Olympic gold in the mens double trap event, a feat which the DT-10 has yet to accomplish.
There were a couple of DT-10s at the Nationals this year, and there were a handful of SO series Berettas. Two or three 682s as well. They fared well, but all the winners all shot Perazzis.
Sharptail
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Sharptail does his research pretty well .... the DT10's have only been competed at one Olympiad so far ... Sydney, 2004.
Ahmed Al Maktoum of the United Arab Emirates (Royal Family) won Doubles Trap - Gold with his 682 Gold E. (He has since switched to the DT10). The DT10 never the less did well at Sydney ... Silver & Bronze inTrap, and Gold in Skeet. So did the 682 Gold E , Gold in Ladies Skeet.
At the World Cup level, DT10's have podium results in over 100 World Cup/IISF events over the past 3 years.
Almost the entire Chinese Team shoots 682 Gold E's ... but two of their top shooters don't ... they shoot DT10's.
Ahmed Al Maktoum of the United Arab Emirates (Royal Family) won Doubles Trap - Gold with his 682 Gold E. (He has since switched to the DT10). The DT10 never the less did well at Sydney ... Silver & Bronze inTrap, and Gold in Skeet. So did the 682 Gold E , Gold in Ladies Skeet.
At the World Cup level, DT10's have podium results in over 100 World Cup/IISF events over the past 3 years.
Almost the entire Chinese Team shoots 682 Gold E's ... but two of their top shooters don't ... they shoot DT10's.
