How stupid can the SQ be?

Armored Metal

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The Surete du Quebec is so power hungry that they will say just about anything to impose their will.

I work for an Armored Truck Co that will soon be switching from revolvers to pistols. During a discussion with the woman in charge of La Direction des Permis (a civilian, not even a cop anymore), we were told that there would be no exemption for us regarding magazine capacity. I don't have a problem with that, the law is the law and we are not cops, we are a private company.

Where I have a problem is that we were told that the maximum capacity of a pistol is 10 rounds. Not 10 rounds in the mag +1 in the pipe but 10 rounds in total. Can you beleive this s**t!!?

Last time I checked the FEDERAL law stated that the magazine capacity is 10 rounds. There is no mention of anything else, it's obvious that a chambered round is not part of a magazine. So 1 in the pipe is OK.

Some of you may think "What's the difference? If you can't do the job with 10 rounds, an extra one won't do much of a difference, you are in deep s**t my friend and what you need is a rifle".

Well, I agree! For me it's a question of principle. Who do they think they are? They are not the ones who made the law.

Are they that power hungry that they will say anything to impose their will, or are they just plain stupid?

I swear, the SQ will only be happy when they take all guns away from the civilians. And when that is done, they will probably do their best to take the guns away from the Canadian Armed Forces based in Quebec.
 
The regulation you mentioned deals with the capacity of the magazine and nothing else. I carry a gun for work too and we carry ready to use, with one under the hammer. There would be no point otherwise as there is no time to chamber in an emergency.

I am sure that you guys can probably bring your own mag if the company doesn't issue you a 15 round one and nobody would ever know. No cop would ever pull you over to check your guns.

The Brinks guys in Montreal carry Glocks and they don't have a mag limit impossed. IIRC they carry 9mm's and they are issued three mags and 45 rounds, so that lady doesn't know what she's talking about.

She's probably assuming that even if you have to carry a round chambered, you'll take the first round out of a mag of 10 and leave it at that. You could top up your mag once you chamber and noone would ever know or care.
 
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I agree it should be 10+1 in the pistol. I disagree that you are not allowed to carry high cap mags. Your pistol is for self defense in case of robbery not for plinking and so you should be allowed a full mag. WTF do the cops need a full high cap for anyway? Is there some reason they are better than us?
 
Oh there are a ton of ways the SQ seems to find on how to annoy the otherwise law abiding citizens. Ever more recently, I've gotten the chance to personally find out about random changes in federal law based on the SQ's judgement and interpretation. Magazine limit vs 'gun' limit, oh apparently one can not own restricted firearms without being a full time member of restricted firearm shooting club(ie say there are a few clubs one pays for usage time at but is not a member on an annual contract...that's a no no. OR say I'm away on business a lot of the time, but go with my ATTs of course to the club once in awhile...not unless you are a full time member, you can't own restricted guns?). The exception is to become a collector, but then you have to arrange for interviews and tests to become one and can only own guns deemed worth collecting according to the SQ....

In any case, most of these are annoyances for sure but it's obviously still best to be polite and keep on their good side. You don't want them to find more ways to 'amend' the law. Next thing you know, you might be only allowed to carry 15rounds of BBs in a look-alike police issue P99...haha

Seriously though, for something like armoured vehicle transport, I believe it is in the best interest of everyone that the people who work in this business be able to carry high caps un-pinned
 
Declan said:
The Brinks guys in Montreal carry Glocks and they don't have a mag limit impossed.

Brinks in Mtl carry the S&W 4006 and they are also restricted with a 10 rounds limit in their mags. Only police officers can have full capacity mags. But like I said, I don't have a problem with that because it will be an improvement over my 6 rounds in my assigned S&W mod 13 loaded with the company's .38 +P Winchester Silvertips.
 
Armored Metal said:
Brinks in Mtl carry the S&W 4006

Really? .40 cal? Good for them. That should leave a scar on the bad guy if they ever have to shoot one. How many rounds in that cal do the mags take, if they aren't restricted in anyway?
 
I just checked the 2004 S&W catalog and it says 10+1 for all their Hi-Cap pistols. There is a note at the bottom of the page saying: **Contact S&W for Law Enforcement/Export high capacity magazine information. If I remember well, the mag capacity of the 4006 is 12 rounds.
 
She doesn't appear to know what she's talking about. Chamber a round, top up, who cares? Do you really think the local PD will pull you over to check your firearm? I think they have better things to do.
 
While the SQ can not alter federal law to suit their purposes, they do issue the permits for the armed guards. If they decide tommorrow to limit the number of rounds actually carried in your gun and make that a condition of your permit, there is jack #### you can do about it. It won't be a federal offence to fail to comply, but they can make it a provincial offence and grounds to revoke the companys business permit.
 
You can however, ask the nice young lady to put her statement in writing and please quote chapter and verse of what piece of paper gives her the authority to make such a statement. Then when some "Bad guy" shoots you because you run out of ammo your wife can sue the nice lady and own a small piece of her for the rest of her life.
I hate little people with big so called power. I ALWAYS force them to explain themselves!!

Scott
 
m39a2 said:
You can however, ask the nice young lady to put her statement in writing and please quote chapter and verse of what piece of paper gives her the authority to make such a statement. Then when some "Bad guy" shoots you because you run out of ammo your wife can sue the nice lady and own a small piece of her for the rest of her life.
I hate little people with big so called power. I ALWAYS force them to explain themselves!!

Scott

I second that! Do not accept any answer if they are not willing to put it in writting...

Mike
 
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