How to describe your shotgun for sale

Just saw an ad I was interested in and it gave a price and another lower price with the sights removed. I asked to clarify that and he said he could get $125 for the factory sights as they were in demand, lol

I was thinking of asking what other factory parts on this rifle he was considering in demand as well but just decided to avoid this deal altogether.
Some sellers have strange ideas for sure…
 
It's a big country full of diversity and different languages.
Many have English as a second language and willing as they might be , can't meet your demands for details or a phone conversation.

Some of these questions being asked is akin to asking a car seller about cam timing or alternator current rating.

Thank you for pointing out to those of us who like to use the EE properly a member to avoid when selling...
 
Big deal about nothing. In the 100s of guns I sold in over 19 years, LOP wasnt something that was brought up.

It's only really applicable on high end trap/skeet guns.

Big deal about nothing? Do you know anything about shotgun fit or what makes a vintage gun valuable?

Clearly you don't trade in the kinds of guns I trade in. I'm not in the market for $500 beat up pieces of crap. And my trader rating is on the low side because the guns I look for rarely surface on Gunnutz EE.
 
I always ask if not in the ad. It is my business when it's a used item.

Jesus, some guys must have better memories than I do! I couldn't tell you who I bought any of my guns from unless I remember buying them from a store. Hell, best I could do on a used gun is to tell you that I bought a Ruger from the kid that used to work at Chilcotin Guns. And that's as detailed as it gets!
 
Can't say in the 100s of guns I sold, or bought. I really was asked why I was selling it, or why they were. Why are those with the least amount of feedback are expert in how to sell?

Umm, I don't know how to break this to you, but canvasback is pretty well regarded as an expert in the shotgun forum.
 
Need to know
Gauge
LOP
Bbl length
Choke
Chamber length
DOM
Condition rating according to nra of other accepted rating system
Minty is not a recognized rating description
Non important info
Why you are selling
Who previously owned the gun
I don’t need to sell this gun so if I don’t get my price I will keep it
Price Firm
Last price drop
How rare this gun is
Two paragraphs of fluff that pertains to nothing of importance

Why you try to govern how people do their add ?
Crap..I advertise how I see fit and need nobody to tell me how to run my show.
Serious buyer can contact by pm or better by phone to answer questions.
And I sold every single guns and items I put for sale on CGN and elsewhere.

And no - you don’t need to know who owned that gun before - how rare it is - do your own research - NRA rating that nobody care about, reason for selling is also not your business and most crap YOU want yo know that is useless.

No need to play the EE Gestapo.
 
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Jesus, some guys must have better memories than I do! I couldn't tell you who I bought any of my guns from unless I remember buying them from a store. Hell, best I could do on a used gun is to tell you that I bought a Ruger from the kid that used to work at Chilcotin Guns. And that's as detailed as it gets!

If you can remember who you bought that shotgun from, you should try to forget. In case the feds ever come a knockin'.:rolleyes:
 
Why you try to govern how people do their add ?
Crap..I advertise how I see fit and need nobody to tell me how to run my show.
Serious buyer can contact by pm or better by phone to answer questions.
And I sold every single guns and items I put for sale on CGN and elsewhere.

And no - you don’t need to know who owned that gun before - how rare it is - do your own research - NRA rating that nobody care about, reason for selling is also not your business and most crap YOU want yo know that is useless.

No need to play the EE Gestapo.


Man some of you guys are sensitive snowflakes. Struff started the thread as an potentially interesting discussion of what might be important when looking at a gun ad. No Gestapo here. No demands you answer questions accurately. No commitments to ignore ads if all possible pertinent info isn't included in the ad. And no expectation that a gun that sells for $300 will need to be described in the same kind of detailed way a $5000 gun or a $12,000 gun might be described.

And good for you if you find buyers who don't give a $hit about the details of what they are buying. As the old saying goes there's a sucker born every minute.

It's supposed to be a casual discussion. I do me and you do you. No need to get your panties in a bunch.

I'm guessing the guys who don't get all that also flip out about "low ballers", about ads with prices "too high" and with "tire kickers". All of which makes me laugh.
 
Umm, I don't know how to break this to you, but canvasback is pretty well regarded as an expert in the shotgun forum.

Still. Like I said, it really only applies to high end. Where those people actually care. But generally speaking, the avg shotgun person doesnt care to know the history, lop etc. As people can adapt their gun as they seem fit.
 
Shotgun for sale. Google is yur friend. NO PICTURE COLLECTORS! This was owned by my buddy's uncle's cousin, who killed a ton of birds with it. This one time, he pointed the gun at a bird about 100 yards away and pulled the trigger and dropped the goose stone cold dead! Shoots straight! I know what I have, so no lowballers. YOU WILL BE IGNORED.

You left out "incredible wood and engraving. Must be seen. 13000.00".

I don't care what you put in your ad. If I'm interested I will ask. If you don't want to bother measuring the LOP then maybe I don't want your shotgun.
 
A seller can provide whatever information he chooses in his ad after the price. The buyer can request whatever additional information he chooses and it is then up to the seller to decide whether to answer the questions or wait for a less demanding buyer. The suggested list of dimensions and features makes a lot of sense but straying into who owned the gun previously and why a person is selling it is perhaps going a little further than necessary.
 
Shotgun for sale. Google is yur friend. NO PICTURE COLLECTORS! This was owned by my buddy's uncle's cousin, who killed a ton of birds with it. This one time, he pointed the gun at a bird about 100 yards away and pulled the trigger and dropped the goose stone cold dead! Shoots straight! I know what I have, so no lowballers. YOU WILL BE IGNORED.

Bwahahaha! Missed your post until I saw bdft quote it. Perfect!
 
Interesting conversation ,but I am one of those that endeavor to assist the buyer in every way possible and expect the same in return.I have had few if any "bad" experiences on all the forums I have sold and purchased from but perhaps that is because the majority of us are like minded.However for us that do not always buy and sell higher end stuff the "low ballers and picture collecters can be a nuisance to say the least. The lowballers that I have more recently dealt with are usually flippers intent on making a profit nothing else. So all in all the EE forum works pretty well for the exchange of "lesser" items but have bought several also that touch on the 5 figures.
 
Can't say in the 100s of guns I sold, or bought. I really was asked why I was selling it, or why they were. Why are those with the least amount of feedback are expert in how to sell?[/QUOTE

Obviously you’ve never sold to me! ��

Since you edited and was asking how many of the 100s I sold, did I disclose that was shortened? Shorten guns can be extended by spacers as user seem fit. But none of mine were shortened. Like said, only ones that truly matter are serious competition trap/skeet shooters, or collectors.

The more questions you ask, the more likely someone else will swoop in and purchase it as the history or lop doesnt matter to them.
 
Not really sure why I'm having a kick at this hornet nest, but here goes...

The range and depth of detail required by a buyer increase according to the interests and needs of the buyer. Whether the seller is able, ready or interested in providing this information limits the size of the buying pool.

When you get into serious thematic collecting, and/or big-money items, that pool can be very small indeed. A seller who can't be bothered to enter into details, back-and-forth communication etc. is already limiting the number of prospective buyers. For commonly available factory production guns, the buying pool is going to be large enough to make no difference to the seller. When you get into specialty items and high-value guns, detail is everything. Condition determines value. For a shootable gun, the condition of the barrel(s) is paramount. Are there dents and dings? Pits? Has the wall thickness been measured by a smith? For a non-North American gun, is there any evidence that the gun has been altered to bring it out of proof? For all guns, has the gun been repaired, either professionally or bodged? Are any parts replaced? For a hinge action, is it on-face or loose? On collector pieces of serious age, one has to expect period repairs, and these do not always bring down value, but they might be enough to reduce the buying pool even more.

All guns have a history. In most cases, it is probably immaterial. But when you get into collector and high-value guns, it can have a bearing on condition, which in turn affects value. Also, provable provenance can add value in the eyes of the buyer, which puts more money in the pocket of the seller. Knowing how a gun gets to market is important and relevant. Guns sold at auction, for example, are mostly either from estate sales or are guns so flawed the seller wants to dispose of them anonymously -- you could see why the buyer would want to know which is which. Older guns can be family heirlooms, passed from generation to generation. Such guns were often bought new, and well cared for. Some come out of collections, as no one has figured out how to take them with us when we die. Such guns had to have met the standards of the collector, which likely weeded out lesser or problem guns. As a buyer, the amount of money I'm willing to part with is certainly affected by the amount of information I can get about the past history of the gun. If a seller tells me it's none of my business, the sale ends there. Yes, stories can be made-up. But if I get the sense the seller is serving up BS, I'll walk away from that deal too.

I'm slightly irked by comments implying the number of EE transactions and post count are a gauge of one's subject knowledge and expertise. My feedback score is probably the lowest in the number of deals among respondents to this thread, but then again, my needs are very specific. And I've had a very good experience with the EE, limited as it has been, having met and corresponded with very interesting people who have been a pleasure to deal with, and learn from. I also have a low post count compared to many on CGN, so feel free to discount my infrequent ramblings.
 
As usual, a concise and complete assessment by Pinfire. Who, if it's of interest to anyone, is one of the world's foremost experts on his particular corner of the shotgun world. Looking forward to seeing you in June, Steve.
 
As usual, a concise and complete assessment by Pinfire. Who, if it's of interest to anyone, is one of the world's foremost experts on his particular corner of the shotgun world. Looking forward to seeing you in June, Steve.

He's so knowledgeable seeing his collection and listening to the details makes me want a pinfire gun. I'm always up for a challenge lmao.
Another reason the cgn sxs classic is so successful is it's a group of like minded ppl with an extraordinary collection of gun making craftsmanship and history
 
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