How to describe your shotgun for sale

Very well put Pinfire I agree totally,am dealing with a 10 g. Víctor Sarasqueta sidelock that fired the right barrel (left works fine) but the leaf spring on that barrel does not have enough reflex to strike the primer although it does release and click.Guy I traded and bought it from had never shot it never seen a 10 gauge let alone seen a shell. It's in the hands of a smith now hopefully will be returned to days of old it is a nice piece but I hold no ill will to the seller who admitted all to me (was an estate thing). Should he have said otherwise I might not be so forgiving .
 
OkayShooter said:
Falconflyer said:
Since you edited and was asking how many of the 100s I sold, did I disclose that was shortened? Shorten guns can be extended by spacers as user seem fit. But none of mine were shortened. Like said, only ones that truly matter are serious competition trap/skeet shooters, or collectors.

The more questions you ask, the more likely someone else will swoop in and purchase it as the history or lop doesnt matter to them.
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So LOP doesn’t matter to hunters?
And if I lose a sale while I’m asking questions then I’m ok with that. I’ve been screwed a time or two from sellers that don’t have time to talk so I’ll just pass with those fellows.
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OkayShooter said:
Still. Like I said, it really only applies to high end. Where those people actually care. But generally speaking, the avg shotgun person doesnt care to know the history, lop etc. As people can adapt their gun as they seem fit.
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Is the average shotgun person some dude that wants "to shoot skeets at our deer camp" with whatever 870 comes to hand? If so then, you're right, those guys don't care about LOP (and probably don't even know it's a thing). But I'm starting to think that, though I thought I was a pretty average shotgun guy, perhaps some of us swim in very different shotgun circles.
 
As a sales person I can assure you that it is much better to handle questions in advance rather than deal with possible objections.

"Google is not your friend" as a salesperson. You are leaving your sale dependent on the opinions and reviews of complete strangers, strangers that may very well have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. Internet reviewers are looking for clicks not accuracy. For example, I watched a video on line last night that looked very professionally done regarding Toyota's new line up of trucks. In the middle of the video it described Toyotas existing full sized offering as the "Titan" complete with pictures of a Nissan.

Also on their internet travels they are going to find prices of every similar model that has sold. Sale prices from years ago and discontinued close out prices will make you look like a price gouger in today's market.

The biggest fear of a potential buyer is the dreaded "buyer's remorse". Hesitancy turns to negative thinking and no sale. Many have been stung before. They don't want to be stuck trying to move something they should have never purchased in the first place. This is why including "why you are selling it" is so important. Obviously you no longer want it or it wouldn't be for sale. Who among us wants what someone else doesn't want? You are selling the product for a reason. Do not leave that reasoning up to the imagination of a potential buyer.

Most of the obvious has been covered but for me the weight of a gun, drop and cast are deciding factors. I have more than enough shotguns (actually need to move some) however I am always tempted when I see a nice gun that I know is going to fit me, especially a light field gun.
 
BigUglyMan said:
Is the average shotgun person some dude that wants "to shoot skeets at our deer camp" with whatever 870 comes to hand? If so then, you're right, those guys don't care about LOP (and probably don't even know it's a thing). But I'm starting to think that, though I thought I was a pretty average shotgun guy, perhaps some of us swim in very different shotgun circles.
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It was just my observation from the guns I sold. Both rifles or shotguns. That I never was asked about the history or the LOP.
 
And let's not forget pictures. A picture of a shotgun standing in the corner of a white room tells us more about the room than about the dark gun-shaped object in the middle, taking up about 5% of the photograph. A darker background will help automatic cameras set the exposure correctly for the dark gun. And if the picture isn't in focus, it's worthless. More pictures are better, naturally. It's not hard, just take a few moments to do it carefully.
 
MK2750 said:
As a sales person I can assure you that it is much better to handle questions in advance rather than deal with possible objections.

"Google is not your friend" as a salesperson. You are leaving your sale dependent on the opinions and reviews of complete strangers, strangers that may very well have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. Internet reviewers are looking for clicks not accuracy. For example, I watched a video on line last night that looked very professionally done regarding Toyota's new line up of trucks. In the middle of the video it described Toyotas existing full sized offering as the "Titan" complete with pictures of a Nissan.

Also on their internet travels they are going to find prices of every similar model that has sold. Sale prices from years ago and discontinued close out prices will make you look like a price gouger in today's market.

The biggest fear of a potential buyer is the dreaded "buyer's remorse". Hesitancy turns to negative thinking and no sale. Many have been stung before. They don't want to be stuck trying to move something they should have never purchased in the first place. This is why including "why you are selling it" is so important. Obviously you no longer want it or it wouldn't be for sale. Who among us wants what someone else doesn't want? You are selling the product for a reason. Do not leave that reasoning up to the imagination of a potential buyer.

Most of the obvious has been covered but for me the weight of a gun, drop and cast are deciding factors. I have more than enough shotguns (actually need to move some) however I am always tempted when I see a nice gun that I know is going to fit me, especially a light field gun.
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I was waiting for a professional sales person to chime in. My career was in sales and marketing including running a 6-9 person sales team for many years. There is a way to do it and get the fastest sale and top dollar and there is every other way. Just saying.

Number one on the EE IMHO is qualify the buyer by including complete information. Then all you snowflakes wouldn't get harassed by endless questions and demands from pic collectors. LOL
 
canvasback said:
I was waiting for a professional sales person to chime in. My career was in sales and marketing including running a 6-9 person sales team for many years. There is a way to do it and get the fastest sale and top dollar and there is every other way. Just saying.

Number one on the EE IMHO is qualify the buyer by including complete information. Then all you snowflakes wouldn't get harassed by endless questions and demands from pic collectors. LOL
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I'll mostly agree. But I have to point out that every potential buyer is different, and many come with different expectations. Some people are very happy to buy groceries at the gas station. Or WalMart or the drug store. But some will only be happy with the kind of purchase they can make at Whole Foods (or whatever fancy equivalent they happen to have). Don't like the groceries example? Think of how differently some people look at used car purchases. There are different areas in every market that require different approaches.

For the sales pros out there, if you're good at your job, I imagine you've figured out your target market and you cater to their needs and expectations. And that's smart - I'm no pro, but it doesn't seem like a good idea to try to appeal to every single potential buyer. The trouble here is, many sellers can only imagine "good" buyers being exactly the same as them. And vice versa. If you can't deal with different expectations from different types of people, then you won't make that sale (or purchase). No big deal, move along. Except apparently for some people (or many people), it is a big deal. Maybe such a big deal that we get to hear about it on one of the many EE griping threads. It's often very entertaining reading, so I am not complaining. ;)
 
MK2750 said:
I know I have backed out of many a purchase because the seller was too forthcoming and filled the ad with pictures.
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I would sooner have the buyer back out of the sale on account of me being honest rather than have him resent me later for not fully disclosing what I know. Unfortunately I’ve known too many who will tell the buyer what they want to hear rather than the truth in order to make the sale. I know at least two individuals who do this and they are universally disliked and not trusted in the local gun community.
 
MK2750 said:
I know I have backed out of many a purchase because the seller was too forthcoming and filled the ad with pictures.
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I guess it's partly that I have confidence in my pricing vs the actual condition of the gun.......but I disclose everything. Nobody is buying a gun from me and saying they didn't get what was described. If that means someone backs off......good.....that's part of qualifying the buyer IMHO. I'm not interested in screwing anyone. The vintage gun market in Canada is too small. If I don't know the buyer.....there is a good chance I know someone who does. And if they are new to vintage guns.....I want to help them get into it, not sour them. Introducing people to it is partly why VictoryXC and I put the time and effort into hosting the annual Double Gun Classic.
 
canvasback said:
I guess it's partly that I have confidence in my pricing vs the actual condition of the gun.......but I disclose everything. Nobody is buying a gun from me and saying they didn't get what was described. If that means someone backs off......good.....that's part of qualifying the buyer IMHO. I'm not interested in screwing anyone. The vintage gun market in Canada is too small. If I don't know the buyer.....there is a good chance I know someone who does. And if they are new to vintage guns.....I want to help them get into it, not sour them. Introducing people to it is partly why VictoryXC and I put the time and effort into hosting the annual Double Gun Classic.
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This sort of attitude keeps some faith left in the EE.
Lately I've been questioning my ability to purchase awn'ear.
Going to have to sit back and relax for a bit.
 
Looking on EE just now listed is a nice 20 ga sxs for 2500$
No Lop
No frame size
No choke
No bbl weight
No chamber length
No bore condition
Just a rant on how Fnnn rare this gun is and how much it sells for in the USA
The guy has a trader rating of 17 with one minus rating I’m very interested in the gun but have no intentions of sending this guy any money unless I get a 3 day inspection deal and if not satisfied a full refund .
 
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I wouldn't deal with anyone that has a negitive feedback.

People have gotten super lazy and full of excuses in the EE. Everybody used to post photos, now they say it's too hard. When nothing changed.

I noticed more and more vague ads, and I blame texting for that. People are afraid of writing more than a sentance.
 
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