How to get more people involved in Competitive Shooting

Gunnerlove said:
As a Service Rifle/ Tac Rifle shooter the thought of taking 45 minutes to shoot a deliberate match sounds horrible.
Then again a day of deliberates is kind of like confirming zeros, all day.
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I would think a lot of SR shooters would welcome more opportunities to practice their wind reading skills at the longer distances.
 
kombayotch said:
Yes, bipod and rear bag. If you are making up a class for them, why would they need to take off their brakes? Is there not some way they could be squadded or positioned so that they were only disturbing each other? Many people have breaks that are permanently attached or timed. They are not easily removed.



You expect them to somehow just magically know about the match and go there to look for the information? If people don't know the match exist, or that there is a certain class they can shoot in, they aren't going to go and look there for the information. They aren't going to e-mail someone about something they're oblivious to. If you want them to come out, you have to make them aware. A really good way to do that is to put all of the information they need in order to attend the match a high traffic location (a post in the forum maybe?). I see a lot of posts about ORA F-Class results in this forum, but I don't see many advertizing upcoming matches...



I'm not the PR match director, therefore I don't have a distribution list for PR shooters. Since the last PR match has already occurred, I'm not going to see the majority of those people till next year. That leaves only a few options: 1) post a thread on here with the information in it. 2) contact the PR match director and ask him to send out an e-mail on his distribution list to all of the PR shooters 3) send out an e-mail on the ORA distribution list an let all members know about it.

Kind of short notice... a lot of people probably already have plans (I do), but it might be worth a try. Which method would you like me to use to promote your match for you?
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First off, who gave the impression that PR rifle would not be competitve with F Class rigs? Or where did this notion come from? Is this something that is passed on during the Intro Days? Is it just a wild rumour within the PR group? I will agree that some PR rifles might not be competitive as a F-Open rig, but that is one reason why I suggested putting them in with the F/TR class. That and beacuse it is shot off a bipod. That being said, I have also seen a trend lately where F/TR is laying a whopping on F/O.

Looking at the PR results from the last couple of years, I see a few (about 4) PR shooters do shoot F Class. However I also see the same amount of PR shooters cross over to shoot SR. They must have found information somewhere about this. If you have any suggestions on how to make this information more readily available or easier to find, please bring this up at the next council meeting at the end of the month.
 
If PR rifles are not competitive in F TR, then you better not tell the 3 shooters on the Canada National Team that do both and did very well in Raton.

8th top shooter at the Worlds even shot off a Harris and car floor mat.

About the only thing that is different is the useful bore life between the two sports. And how long you get between shots :)

If you can hit sub MOA at distance, come on out and give it a try. Wind reading is always positive time at the range and scoring really proves what a rifle is doing.

I am hoping to be able to play both games in the future but FTR is my focus this time.
Jerry
 
maynard said:
First off, who gave the impression that PR rifle would not be competitve with F Class rigs? Or where did this notion come from? Is this something that is passed on during the Intro Days? Is it just a wild rumour within the PR group? I will agree that some PR rifles might not be competitive as a F-Open rig, but that is one reason why I suggested putting them in with the F/TR class. That and beacuse it is shot off a bipod. That being said, I have also seen a trend lately where F/TR is laying a whopping on F/O.
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Those are very good questions. Note that I did not say that PR rifle weren't competitive, I said that many shooters come to PR because they are being told that or are getting that impression from somewhere.

maynard said:
If you have any suggestions on how to make this information more readily available or easier to find, please bring this up at the next council meeting at the end of the month.
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You mean like I did at last years AGM, and I was told that there are already enough shooters going and that further advertizing isn't necessary?

Mystic Precision said:
If PR rifles are not competitive in F TR, then you better not tell the 3 shooters on the Canada National Team that do both and did very well in Raton.
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Don't have to convince me; shot two matches with them this summer.

Mystic Precision said:
About the only thing that is different is the useful bore life between the two sports. And how long you get between shots :)

If you can hit sub MOA at distance, come on out and give it a try. Wind reading is always positive time at the range and scoring really proves what a rifle is doing.
Jerry
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Nice to see you getting onboard now!
 
OK Gentlemen...
It sounds like we are in agreement on some issues and disagree on others. However this discussion is quite a tangent from the OP regarding Connaught Template.
Perhaps a separate post discussion on how to improve F Class development could be started......
Not my place to moderate ,but just a thought.
G
 
I wish this thread would have been titled "How to get more people involved in Competitive Shooting"

F Class is growing in leaps and bounds ( I can remember when there was only 2-3 F Class guys in Ontario) while Target Rifle (iron sights) is dying off. Meanwhile every year the Cadet Shooting Program brings in 35 knew TR shooters. For the most part about 99% of them stop shooting once they leave cadets, and have to start spending their own money on the sport.
 
A round every few minutes builds stronger wind reading skills than chasing a conditions does. If more SR shooters practiced in those conditions, fewer would get burned by changes in conditions when faced with a delay between finishing their sighters and the beginning of a match.
 
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Well no one is forcing you to. Just because you don't like it or see the value in it doesn't mean others share that view. Many would welcome the opportunity to cross train with another discipline where a certain skill plays a bigger role and where the shooters tend to be more proficient at it.
 
I would have to say that improving communication would help out a lot. Imagine showing up at the range only to be met by a full line of cadets fireing off at 100 meters,. Someone new to the sport, might not come back.
Reading about a Palma match scheduled, may lead an F class shooter to believe that he is not welcome.
To a new shooter that is not an INSIDER, having reliable, consistant info readily available is paramount.

Rick
 
This post was entitle to bring more shooter to the line but went off to FTR definition......I did not read all the post as the few first few ones sparks me up big time. Trying to level by the bottom seems always easier than to follow guys in front. Trying to slow down those shooter, who puts the effort you are not doing, is the way "some" wants" to get in front. Its like being in f-open telling guys not to shoot big bullet because you cant handle more than a 6BR ! Stay home or play tennis if you cant handle recoil ! I've not seen any discussion regarding bullet weight limit being impose in a near future, neither can be the pressure. There is sign that shows up before an accident is happening....and there are NONE on my side....NONE. Shooters who want this to happen are the one standing being looking at what they can do to step forward....sitting in a couch while other are testings TONS of combination and making true development within the cartridge...and getting practice...preparing next season....now !

I completely agree with Komby, that there should be a "factory" classification to help bring more new shooter to the line. The big custom are intimidating shooter to come in Quebec because they think its all about $$$ and they are wrong. They are not coming to the line and make "contact" with the sport and pleasure to meet very good people. For sure, having a "first year" rebate can only help. I'm presently pushing hard to bring some shooter in for next season....and really good ones )))

BTW, I needed to take the time to remove some comments from my initial post to stay reasonabily "polite"...
 
The discussion about limiting pressure comes from one place only, safety. If you don't have any noticeable pressure signs then you will not have a problem; this has been pretty clearly identified by ICFRA in their rules since at least 2009. As a community of shooters we have a responsibility to ensure ongoing safety, and subsequently the access to military ranges that we enjoy. As I've said before, I personally do not support any move to limit technology that isn't coming from a safety perspective; I think that embracing new tech can help make new shooters competitive more quickly and that success will help ensure they will continue to participate, and maybe even bring out their friends.

I do however also think that there is room for a factory class, but it will need some definition around it. I hope that we will have enough interest to offer it at Easterns next year.
 
I cannot agree more ) you have more language than I do ! if safety is not an issue, then it will remain the same.
 
I think when you start bringing technology such as E-targets online and getting the i-generation to come out. It will continue to build interest make it "cool". IMO the generation now a days (this is making me sound so old) would probably think pulling targets is archaic and to much trouble they rather sit behind their smart device. I see target pulling as a service to my fellow shooter however I think it is become less and less important for new i-shootesr to serve but rather be served silver platter style.
 
Thanks for sharing Kris.

I think this would make a good starting point, but I'm not sure that I agree with some of the exceptions they've made for specific rifles. I think the Savage 12's are a great offering for us to point to when somebody asks what a good starting rifle would be, and I know we had a couple of guys out at Nationals with them this year that acquitted themselves quite well.

Scott
 
kombayotch said:
You mean like I did at last years AGM, and I was told that there are already enough shooters going and that further advertizing isn't necessary?
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I feel your pain. There's always a reason for more advertising. The PRA's need to embrace Facebook, Twitter, the various on-line forums to get the word out. Starting a council supported ambassador program with their local clubs would be a good thing too. Shooters "evangelizing" F/TR/PR/SC/Swiss shooting at the club level will drum up interest. This approach is working for the CQB gang and to a lesser extent for the LSBA gang.
 
FTRRookie said:
Thanks for sharing Kris.

I think this would make a good starting point, but I'm not sure that I agree with some of the exceptions they've made for specific rifles. I think the Savage 12's are a great offering for us to point to when somebody asks what a good starting rifle would be, and I know we had a couple of guys out at Nationals with them this year that acquitted themselves quite well.

Scott
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Nice to know thanks
 
kombayotch said:
Have a look at this definition:
http://www.bcrifle.org/misc/FClass-sporter.doc
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We have had that in Ontario for a while. In fact the concept was presented to all the PRA's at the DCRA AGM by the founder of the ORA Intro Days. See Factory F-Class
http://www.ontariorifleassociation.ca/node/75

Because of name changes to the classes within the F Class, Factory F Class is known here in Ontario as F(M) class. "M" meaning Manufactered.

This was started before the Savage F Class rifles hit the shelf here in Canada. Once that happened, it was up to the match director on what class to put the F(M) shooter into if he was shooting one of these "purpose built" rifles. Not really fair to put a new shooter firing a 6.5-.284 against another new shooter firing an SPS in .308. Also not fair putting a new shooter firing a 6.5-.284 in with the big dogs.

Maybe what needs to be done is to have sub classes within the F Class, like the Target Rifle shooters have. Everyone shooting for the first year is a greenshot, then re-classed for the second year and following years dependings on scores. Greenshots for the first year only then placed in Sharpshooter, Expert, or Master Class. As the scores and skills improve the shooter moves up a class or two.
 
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