How to sling a tactical rifle?
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I'm actually quite pleasant in person. People talking out of their lane brings out the worst in me.
yes it does....the picture is the answer...so thanks for coming out and missing the point
I will admit, I guess I missed the point, can you explain to me how the picture shows a sling technique that alleviates support hand fatigue? You know when your arm gets tired for holding it out for so long. I am genuinely interested.
Lift weights and eat your wheaties.
Clobbersauras
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Not sure why guys are chucking #### in this thread, but that's typical of CGN of late. I actually thought this discussion was decent for a change.
I am just having fun.....lol slings are a tuff call!! But to me the BFG padded vickers is the only sling I own and run( shorty,16" three gun AR and on all my PR bolt actions)
singles suck and the ones that you can switch to a two point if running in a comp is a waste of time to do( but have at it) and on a two way range could get you killed ( but to each there own)
I like nice simple setups (optics,rails and lights only and no AVG/vert grips with unwanted or needed rails all over the gun) but thats just me
singles suck and the ones that you can switch to a two point if running in a comp is a waste of time to do( but have at it) and on a two way range could get you killed ( but to each there own)
I like nice simple setups (optics,rails and lights only and no AVG/vert grips with unwanted or needed rails all over the gun) but thats just me
Clobbersauras
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I was not really talking about you Jamie.
I have a VCAS and an MS3 (with the QD which attaches to a Noveske receiver plate).
I like them both - but for different application.
I like the VCAS on my shotgun, which I carry when fishing bear country in Northern BC. Its a great sling for carrying a firearm all day - keeping it tight to the body comfortably - and is reasonably quick in bringing the firearm to point.
However, my AR is a range firearm.
There are no "two way ranges" in my reality (nor in the reality of most of the folks that love to quote that phrase!) - I don't need to "put my hands" on anybody on my local range - and until someone runs a 3-gun in my area where I get to climb a ladder and zip line from the tower while engaging targets - I don't need both hands free.
The MS3 is more than adequate for my range only AR - its comfortable, allows the firearm to point quicker, and allows greater freedom of movement in manipulating the firearm than the VCAS, is adjustable (like the VCAS), and gives you a choice between one or two point. Tough to beat that kind of versatility. But thats my opinion.
You really can't go wrong with either.
I like them both - but for different application.
I like the VCAS on my shotgun, which I carry when fishing bear country in Northern BC. Its a great sling for carrying a firearm all day - keeping it tight to the body comfortably - and is reasonably quick in bringing the firearm to point.
However, my AR is a range firearm.
There are no "two way ranges" in my reality (nor in the reality of most of the folks that love to quote that phrase!) - I don't need to "put my hands" on anybody on my local range - and until someone runs a 3-gun in my area where I get to climb a ladder and zip line from the tower while engaging targets - I don't need both hands free.
The MS3 is more than adequate for my range only AR - its comfortable, allows the firearm to point quicker, and allows greater freedom of movement in manipulating the firearm than the VCAS, is adjustable (like the VCAS), and gives you a choice between one or two point. Tough to beat that kind of versatility. But thats my opinion.
You really can't go wrong with either.
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Clobbersauras
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I don't necessarily agree that single point slings totally suck. Yes, I agree if you have to carry one daily, that two point are probably a better choice for the vast majority of people. But in the context of the general CGN audience, that condition is not the norm.
Single points most definitely do not suck when it comes to easy and simplicity of use (which you can appreciate). They are arguably easier to move, transition, and work around barriers with. When slung (no hands on the rifle) they do tend to move around quite a bit, which requires a hand, but.... just slinging a rifle with a two point sling does not mean it doesn't move or always points in a safe direction. I've seen many instances of 2 point slung rifles where the user inadvertently muzzled someone by bending down or having the rifle slung over a monstrous bugling chest rig. You still need to control your rifle regardless of the type of sling you use.
Moving with a slung rifle, either a two point or single point, usually involves keeping a hand on the rifle just to keep it from bouncing around. I've never had any problems with my rifles bouncing off my junk or knees or what-not, but I'm tall and my AR has a 10" barrel.
Also, if you are moving with your rifle slung and your pistol out, then you are either doing a specific drill at the range or having a really really bad day. If it were the latter, it means your rifle is empty or malfunctioning, and I don't believe you would be caring much what your rifle was doing at that point.
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I am looking to get my VCAS and future VCAS's shortened. Anyone know of someone that offers this service?
My sewing skills aren't worth mentioning here.
1- Adjust to fit
2- Cut excess off if it gets in the way (does it really?)
3- ???????
4- Profit!
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I'm joking, people who did a military course had a instructor that made you carry your weapon without a sling, if you were lucky you might be able to use para cord, stupid as it may sound it did teach you many things that I'm not interested in describing.
I'll play your game with your questions.
Transition - kinda vague question, range, field, in front of the mirror, guess I ran out of ammo, have a jam and I have to use a pistol as the threat is right in front of me or just around the corner.
Better yet, what if I don't have a pistol for a transition...
Backpack, well I really don't have long arms to grab anything out of my backpack which is on my back, so I guess I would place the rifle down in order to get to my backpack.
Load a mag why would I need to have my rifle slung to load mag(s)? place the thing down.
I've been very successful with and without a sling for various scenario's in my carrier.
I have four different slings myself, and paracord lol.
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Aside from illustrating how many of our soldiers are living in the past, carrying a rifle with no sling teaches you absolutely nothing. Not sure who you are but when I see a soldier carrying a weapon without a sling we immediately have a one way conversation.
A sling is to a rifle what a holster is to a handgun, period.
Not exactly the fastest transition I have ever seen but it was the first one I found that shows how to transition from rifle to pistol with no sling. I would suggest tucking the butt under the shoulder. This allows you to use your light on your rifle with your support hand.
I've used 1, 2, and 3 point slings and prefer 2 point slings. If you can try them out and get what best suits you.
3 point has too many straps getting in the way and find it hinders my reload. If you do get a 3 point make sure you get one with an emergency release buckle. This allows you to lengthen the sling to transition shoulders.
I have a 14.5" barrel and find a 1 point sling gets pretty heavy and uncomfortable extended periods (5 hours in a containment position sealed my single point sling's fate). Not to mention with the longer barrel I was hitting myself in the junk more times than I cared for. Co-workers that use single points with 10.5" barrels don't have the same problem. I did find that single point slings allowed for quicker shoulder transitions.
I have a 5.11 VTAC 2 point padded sling and like how it can be quickly adjusted for length and the padding helps with the long containment calls.
Yeah it can be done....but is it wise for am armed professional to be doing?
Besides, I think that guy in the video might be a full on level 10 dungeon master. The A2 length stock, flattop, belt buckle height reload, mall ninja gear, and 3 colour pants all add up to mall ninja status. I just don't understand why you would invent and perfect a technique to make up for the absence of a 30$ piece of nylon webbing? This guy could have gotten a minimum wage job at the local scuba knife fighting air soft store and paid for it in two or three hours!
VCAS is the heat and what I recommend. I've been playing with a padded VTAC that I've combined with MS2 hardware...we'll see how that works out.
